FAO: Floyd Mayweather Jr. Supporters

[SplitSecond]

i dont even think floyd has beaten maidana yet, but it was close enough that who ever the judges pick i go with

[IMDAZED]

jmm is not good at 140-147

only vs pac's dumb ass.

Sucks for Manny.

One dominant win over Frazier >>> Three close fights & KO loss to Joe

[The Big Dunn]

again that's not the ****ing argument.

it's not jmm-pac vs floyd-jmm

it's a tough trilogy (ANY MOFO FIGHTER) vs. a easy win (ANY MOFO FIGHTER)

what adds to your legacy?

if you want to talk jmm talk to somebody else.

how about having to rematch maidana. talk about that.

you guys want to talk jmm because jmm looked awful vs floyd. LOL

You can't just take a generic question and apply the answer to that question here. Its better to use specific examples to answer.

I think it depends on the quality of the trilogy vs the quality of the dominating win.

OK, lets take Floyd v Maidana. If they fight a 3rd time and he wins again, that will not be as significant as Manny beating Cotto, even if that fight was at 145. Why? Because the trilogy happened because Floyd failed to do what he should have done-dominate Maidana who was a huge underdog.

Then when he did dominate him-he did so in such a terrible wlad style grab fest that it stunk. So it was a tough trilogy, but not one that would enhance his legacy because he never met expectation in the fights.

What adds or detracts from a legacy is who you beat, when you beat them, and how you beat them. It's very hard to say Manny's JMM trilogy enhanced his legacy.

It definitely enhanced JMM's legacy because he was the underdog in all 4 fights.

[Left Hook Tua]

timing?

pac fought mab/jmm/em when they were 1-2 at 126, 130.

2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008.

mab, jmm, em, em, em, mab, jmm. he was suppose to fight jmm immediate rematch too but jmm refused. mab and pac was suppose to rematch before jmm-mab but gbp didn't want it.

pac jumped to 147 2009.

top 4 147 guys at start of 2009.

marg, cotto, mosley, clottey.

2009 cotto, 2010 marg, clottey, 2011 mosley.

you know who TIMES his opp? picks the "best" time to fight opp? it ain't pac.

LMFAO

pac didn't even have a top promoter til AFTER he fought MAB, JMM, EM.

yet you guys wanna act like pac planned it.

[techliam]

In chronological order:
Hernandez TKO8 - Lineal, eligible for HOF
Corrales TKO10 - Undefeated, #7 P4P, 5 KDs
Castillo UD12 (2x) - Lineal
Gatti TKO6 - HOF, beatdown
De La Hoya SD12 - HOF
Hatton TKO10 - Undefeated
Marquez UD12 - #2 P4P, shoe-in HOF
Mosley UD12 - Lineal, #3 P4P, shoe-in HOF
Cotto UD12 - Shoe-in HOF
Alvarez MD12 - Lineal, undefeated

I think we need a more balanced view

In chronological order:
Hernandez TKO8 - Lineal, eligible for HOF, solid win

Corrales TKO10 - Undefeated, #7 P4P, 5 KDs, was a great win at the time, and still is

Castillo UD12 (2x) - Lineal, first fight was an either-way fight. However, the UD in the 2nd fight put aside the doubts created in the first fight.

Gatti TKO6 - HOF, beatdown, the win itself isn't that impressive though

De La Hoya SD12 - HOF, decent win, however the significance of this fight isn't how great the win was, but the passing of the PPV torch, as De La Hoya was far from prime here.

Hatton TKO10 - Undefeated, but at a weight he seemed not so good at, as seen with the Collazo fight. On balance, this win seems pretty good, but not quite great though.

Marquez UD12 - #2 P4P, shoe-in HOF, Marquez coming up two weights (at his own request though). Floyd can't be blamed for the size difference, but it does tarnish this win sadly. Despite that, it highlighted how good a boxer (and counter-puncher) Floyd actually is

Mosley UD12 - Lineal, #3 P4P, shoe-in HOF. Theres a debate to be had as to whether this created a lineage, however that doesn't matter. This was a pretty good win, especially with Mosley coming off that TKO of Margarito.

Cotto UD12 - Shoe-in HOF, i'm not sure what to think of this one. Cotto gave a pretty good account of himself, but I wouldn't stretch it further than 8-4. Cotto's run at 154 wasn't anything particularly impressive, and he did lose to Trout shortly after this one. Pretty solid win, especially in the matter he achieved it (and the fact Mayweather is pretty small at 154)

Alvarez MD12 - This fight established a lineage at 154, however i'm still not convinced Canelo is anything special. We also have to factor in the 152 catchweight, though i'm personally not convinced this affected Cannel's performance... I just don't think he's that good. A massive PPV event, and a win over the best fighter at 154 certainly. Hard to gauge if you consider Trout-Canelo was also an either-way fight, but a 12-0 shutout is impressive nonetheless for the smaller fighter.

Call it nitpicking if you like, but I think thats a pretty balanced view of your list. Ive never liked taking things for face-value

[IMDAZED]

timing?

pac fought mab/jmm/em when they were 1-2 at 126, 130.

2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008.

mab, jmm, em, em, em, mab, jmm. he was suppose to fight jmm immediate rematch too but jmm refused. mab and pac was suppose to rematch before jmm-mab but gbp didn't want it.

pac jumped to 147 2009.

top 4 147 guys at start of 2009.

marg, cotto, mosley, clottey.

2009 cotto, 2010 marg, clottey, 2011 mosley.

you know TIMES his opp? picks the "best" time to fight opp? it ain't pac.

LMFAO

pac didn't even have a top promoter til AFTER he fought MAB, JMM, EM.

yet you guys wanna act like pac planned it.

Haven't gotten through the rest of your post yet because just off top, your first line is erronenous. When Manny beat Morales, he was not ranked second in any division.

[Left Hook Tua]

You can't just take a generic question and apply the answer to that question here. Its better to use specific examples to answer.

I think it depends on the quality of the trilogy vs the quality of the dominating win.

OK, lets take Floyd v Maidana. If they fight a 3rd time and he wins again, that will not be as significant as Manny beating Cotto, even if that fight was at 145. Why? Because the trilogy happened because Floyd failed to do what he should have done-dominate Maidana who was a huge underdog.

Then when he did dominate him-he did so in such a terrible wlad style grab fest that it stunk. So it was a tough trilogy, but not one that would enhance his legacy because he never met expectation in the fights.

What adds or detracts from a legacy is who you beat, when you beat them, and how you beat them. It's very hard to say Manny's JMM trilogy enhanced his legacy.

It definitely enhanced JMM's legacy because he was the underdog in all 4 fights.

jmm isn't quality?

[hehellacool]

Please list 9 of Floyd's Best Opponents.

or 9 of Floyd's Best Fights.

His most decorated, accomplished opponents.

Thank you.

Oscar
Shane
Cotto
Hatton
Corrales
Genaro Hernandez
Castillo
Canelo
Judah

[Left Hook Tua]

Haven't gotten through the rest of your post yet because just off top, your first line is erronenous. When Manny beat Morales, he was not ranked second in any division.

yes he was.

1-2 mab/em

AFTER pac losses em was ranked #4 still in 2007, behind mab, pac, guzman.

he dropped from rankings when he moved up to 135 to fight diaz.

like i said before you guys overrate raheem loss.

he was still #2 at 130.

[The Big Dunn]

jmm isn't quality?

I didn't say that at all. You avoided my answer to your question, which tells me my answer was spot on.

The JMM quadrilogy is quality. That it is makes Floyd's domination that much better.

Look at it like this-Bill Russell is great because he never lost a game 7, the penultimate game. Jordan is considered the greatest as he never had to play a game 7.

Which is more dominant-sweep or winning game 7?