Manny Pacquiao, better fighter than Marvin Hagler, do you agree?

[VG_Addict]

Canelo is a super-Hagler? He has a better chin, speed, and power? Canelo is slow, both of hand and foot. Hagler has one of the best chins in boxing history.

[Ray Corso]

Hagler is a more skilled boxer and fighter than Manny. He fought better competition and was never stopped by top contenders in his career.
Simply a more polished boxer who kept his cool under pressure and stuck to his game plan. Manny looses his focus at times and thats how he was KO'd by Juan. He doubled feinted and fell inside without punching and Juan barely got the punch off but it landed and the short full force shots do the most damage!
Hagler was a tremendous conditioned fighter and had both hands working in combination.
Ray

[SplitSecond]

Duran was much better at that type of fight than Pacquiao is, and is a better fighter than Pacquiao in general.

P4P, it is a very good and interesting fight. No way Pacquiao dominates.

lol, no he wasn't, not even close, duran boxes flat-footed, pacquiao will circle the sht out of anyone that stands with him while punching the daylights out of them, a great counter-puncher himself, much faster and a big puncher also

p4p, hagler loses just about every round, too much activity, too much footwork, too much speed, unless he can ko pacquiao

[therealpugilist]

lol, no he wasn't, not even close, duran boxes flat-footed, pacquiao will circle the sht out of anyone that stands with him while punching the daylights out of them, a great counter-puncher himself, much faster and a big puncher also

p4p, hagler loses just about every round, too much activity, too much footwork, too much speed, unless he can ko pacquiao

Duran also knew how to pivot, cut off the ring and fight at all ranges

Once again....you are comparing Manny to more complete fighters

Manny is more athletically gifted than the two, but not superior in a boxing technique sense

[Strategic1]

somebody even brought up race....black pride or some crap


Hagler was one of the most complete fighters of all-time......speed, strength, boxing skills, great chin, work ethic....from the late 70s to the around 83 IMO Hagler was the best fighter p4p in the world.....Ray's on brother wanted him to stay away from Marvin in 80-82



p4p is if they were the same size, who would win


Hagler was more multi-faceted than Manny....could fight forward, backwards, WAR, counterpunch, stalk, beat all styles and was more dominant than Manny


Manny is more beloved than Hagler, who wasn't even a star in his own time

the Mugabi, Hearns, and Leonard fights are the only ones most people ever even saw a clip of....they need to do their research

You dont give PAC any credit for being the smaller man going against bigger guys 98% of the time.

PAC says his walk around weight when he's not training is 140 lbs.


Every single guy at 147 besides Marquez has been taller than him and/or more naturally bigger physically (Tim Bradley). He's giving up height and reach advantages every single time. That's impressive.

If PAC ever stayed at 140 or 135 and faced guys more closer to his size, he'd win in a dominant fashion. He'd have long reigns as champ. He's been dominant as is at 147

If Manny stayed at 140 he'd might have racked up closer to 45 KO's.

Pac is not the most technically sound boxer, but he has very good IQ, speed and footwork. And he also has intangibles.

So we're comparing a Pacquiao who consistently faced bigger guys..
and Hagler who's most notable matches were with guys who were best at lower weights.

It's not a fair comparison.

[soul_survivor]

Watching ESPN First Take, SKIP seems to feel that Hagler was overhyped, just a puncher.

Is there any merit to it?

Hagler was far more than a puncher, he was a seriously good inside fighter, touch as nails, one of the greatest chins of all time and he had ATG footwork, which goes very under appreciated to those uninitiated with the sport.

Pacquiao is the better fighter though, no doubt in my mind. Quicker, better puncher P4P, better hand and foot speed, sharper reflexes and a better overall career.

But so what? How many guys can you really rank above Pacman? 20? 25? That's not a lot.

[therealpugilist]

You dont give PAC any credit for being the smaller man going against bigger guys 98% of the time.

PAC says his walk around weight when he's not training is 140 lbs.


Every single guy at 147 besides Marquez has been taller than him and/or more naturally bigger physically (Tim Bradley). He's giving up height and reach advantages every single time. That's impressive.

If PAC ever stayed at 140 or 135 and faced guys more closer to his size, he'd win in a dominant fashion. He'd have long reigns as champ. He's been dominant as is at 147

If Manny stayed at 140 he'd might have racked up closer to 45 KO's.

Pac is not the most technically sound boxer, but he has very good IQ, speed and footwork. And he also has intangibles.

So we're comparing a Pacquiao who consistently faced bigger guys..
and Hagler who's most notable matches were with guys who were best at lower weights.

It's not a fair comparison.

aint nobody giving Floyd extra credit for weighing 147-150 fight night and his opponents often weight 165 or higher fight night.....ODLH, Cotto, Maidana(2x), Canelo



BEING BIGGER OR TALLER DONT MEAN IT'S A BETTER OPPONENT

[bojangles1987]

lol, no he wasn't, not even close, duran boxes flat-footed, pacquiao will circle the sht out of anyone that stands with him while punching the daylights out of them, a great counter-puncher himself, much faster and a big puncher also

p4p, hagler loses just about every round, too much activity, too much footwork, too much speed, unless he can ko pacquiao

Duran is much a better counter puncher and pure boxer than Pacquiao. He was better defensively as well. That's on top of being about as complete a pressure fighter as ever existed. There are very few fighters in boxing history as good as Roberto Duran was. There's a reason he was old and overweight yet could compete with the best middleweights in the world.

P4P, Hagler is plenty good enough to make Pacquiao come at him, use his jab to disrupt Pac's rhythm, and counter him. There is no way Pacquiao dominates that fight, even if they're the same size. He might win, both are great fighters and it's hard to say one guy definitely beats the other, but it would not be a domination either way.

[SplitSecond]

Hagler is a more skilled boxer and fighter than Manny. He fought better competition and was never stopped by top contenders in his career.
Simply a more polished boxer who kept his cool under pressure and stuck to his game plan. Manny looses his focus at times and thats how he was KO'd by Juan. He doubled feinted and fell inside without punching and Juan barely got the punch off but it landed and the short full force shots do the most damage!
Hagler was a tremendous conditioned fighter and had both hands working in combination.
Ray

hagler had some alright movement, although he couldn't really punch off it that good and what i mean by that is he couldn't punch off it on other's terms, he doesn't counter on the move, didn't counter often from what i've seen, he was usually fully defensive on the move before coming around into center ring and letting off a combo and returning back to moving, very good skills there but sort of a leaky defense

he was solid boxer that kept his hands up and had a great jab, but i think won more due to his insane conditioning than great skills

strong as an ox, iron chin, great stamina, excellent power

maybe someone could recommend me a hagler fight where he shows off his counter-punching skills

[Strategic1]

aint nobody giving Floyd extra credit for weighing 147-150 fight night and his opponents often weight 165 or higher fight night.....ODLH, Cotto, Maidana(2x), Canelo



BEING BIGGER OR TALLER DONT MEAN IT'S A BETTER OPPONENT

I give Floyd credit as well. I said both Floyd and PAC would be able to compete P4P with any great from any era.

Yea surely, facing bigger guys doesn't mean it's better. But you have to put things in perspective.

I personally think Floyd would be able to compete better with guys like Leonard, Hagler, Hearns and Duran. Floyd has slightly better size to hang with these guys. Though Hagler would be just too big for Floyd.

Pac would have competed better with Pryor, Chavez Sr., Whitaker, Kostya, Benitez, Cervantes and would have a chance with Duran at 147 (not at 135).