"Krusher" Kovalev vs RJJ@ 168-175lbs/12-12.5 Stone. Who wins?

[BattlingNelson]

Well I guess that's all history, we can talk in circles about PED all day

did you have a chance to check out the video....Idk what ever happened to GorillaProductions but he had the best boxing highlights and tributes ever

Nah. I didnt check. Very unlikely that the vid contained something I haven't seen. Others that hasnt seen the great RJJ should probably take a look.

[robertzimmerman]

With the fat HBO contract in his hand he could pick and choose which is what he did.

He really didn't.

It's a common misconception.

Big fights were hard to make for various reasons. And when they couldn't be made, he had mandatory obligations. And from 1999, after he'd unified the LHW division, he had mandatory obligations to fulfil from all three of the main organisations.

Ricky Frazier, Glen Kelly and Clinton Woods etc, were all mandatories.

Serious efforts were made to fight the following fighters:

Frankie Liles
Evander Holyfield
Dariusz Michalczewski
Bernard Hopkins

[robertzimmerman]

It's like beating a dead horse with these fanboys, man. SK would pound Roy like he did Pascal, who I think was on PEDS during their first encounter. He was fast as hell and very strong. Smh. SK broke his ass down with will and ring IQ. He'd do the same to Roy who trains Pascal. Roy made amateurish mistakes at times in there. He was not taught the basics of boxing. He lacked fundamentals. He dropped his hands against EVERYONE, just like Pascal does, just like Floyd does. But these aren't flaws to these idiots. Smh. He would do it against SK too, because fighters have behavior in the ring. Things they do in every fight. And when he does, just like Pascal, he would get put to SLEEP. The end.

Ha!

Let's get one thing straight here.

In comparison to a prime version of Roy, Jean Pascal is a slow plodder.

Roy was on another planet to Pascal.

Your post is hilarious.

Pascal doesn't even possess half of the skill and speed that Roy possessed. Yet on 4/5 occasions, he threw wild overhand rights, with no leverage, that all hit the mark. So let's be realistic here. If Pascal could tag him like that, Roy would have thought it was Christmas.

Keep hating though, your posts are highly entertaining.

[robertzimmerman]

Pascal is levels below a prime Roy Jones...slower, not as good a natural athlete, less power and doesn't throw fluid combos like Jones nor does he vary his punch speed or place his shots as well as jones.....He wasn't as elusive as Jones either.....Prime Jones most likely would have stopped Pascal who gasses after mid fight and is a sucker for the right hand.


KOV is not better than Virgil Hill at 175 who was a mainstay there for over a decade and went on to win a cruiserweight title after he lost to Jones.....Only lost to Hall of famers at the weight.....Jones is definitely getting in, I think Hearns is in now, and Dariusz Michalcewski may get in one day

Kov has fought one hall of famer his entire career, who was 50 years old at that




Kov would get picked apart by Jones

I laughed out loud when he started comparing Roy to Jean.

Ha!

He's clueless.

[robertzimmerman]

Why should I do that, when the fighters I listed were better than a lot of the guys he beat.


At 147 his best opponent was a near prime Kid Gavilan who was not at his best until 1950-153

Jake Lamotta fought Holman Williams and Lloyd Marshall though, why couldn't he? Robinson fought more catchweights as champion than he defended the title at 147

Charley Burley was a top ten ranked welterweight and middleweight throughout the early 40's til retirement around 1950....even fought lightheavyweights and beat a heavyweight with a 50+ pound weight advantage.




these guys were better than everyone he at 147-160....At 160 SRR wasn't at his best and lost to guys he would have beat in his prime like Basilio and Turpin the first time but none I'd take Burley over those guys...he was an all around better fighter

It's honestly a pleasure reading your posts.

EVERY fighter has holes in their resumes.

You can't fight everyone.

Also, it's unfair to automatically assume that if a champ doesn't fight someone, it's because he ducked them. That's often not the case, as most people forget that this wonderful sport is also a ruthless business.

[robertzimmerman]

He sure was! He never tested positive though. When he fought Ruiz at Heavyweight, he was roided. How do I know? Look at what happened to him just one fight after against Tarver. His body completely changed in appearance and still looks weird to this day. And SK doesn't need more time. HE would KO Roy's ass. Roy cannot and could not ever take a punch. SK would hit him clean. What don't these guys understand about that? Roy's speed/reflexes would not be enough to beat SK. HE would have to take punishment. Period.

So you think Roy was on steroids, because he lost to Tarver afterwards?

Why don't you do some research before you post?

[robertzimmerman]

He looked like Superman because he was an all time great and was very hard to beat in his prime....That Paz fight was far from his only dominant performance....Hopkins, McCallum, Hill, Toney, and Trinidad are all hall of famers and could barely win 3 rounds versus Jones

Until he was past prime.....There were times he went fights without losing rounds.

He earned that reputation by dominating world class opposition on a regular Basis vs world class competition

Jones fought a lot of good fighters but people also look at how, he beat them....He is dominant like Golovkin was and did it versus waaaaaaay better opposition. That's why people wont bet against him in fantasy fights.....Even a past prime Jones showed a huge heart pulling out that Tarver fight and showed he could come from behind to win and he took some hellacious punches and didn't get dropped in that fight....dropping all that muscle to get back to 175 visibly drained him and affected him going forward....No 30+ old athlete is gonna perform the same dropping weight like that.....Look at guys like Eddie Chambers, Chris Byrd, Emile Griffith, when they tried to move back down in weight.....Lalonde should've never fought leonard at 168 just like Dawson career has not been the same since losing to Ward dropping one weight class


Check out this video of Roy....it pretty much shows his rise and fall

Great post.

[robertzimmerman]

It was just an observation I made. Jones has a fine resume, but some of his fans make Jones out to be something that is out of this world.

Another observation is that Jones does great in fantasyfights. Its likely based on him looking like Superman against Paz etc.

Did he not look just as good, against guys who were better than Paz?

[BattlingNelson]

Did he not look just as good against guys who were better than Paz?

Who are you thinking about? Nunn? Liles? Michalszhewski?

Oh wait.

[BattlingNelson]

It's honestly a pleasure reading your posts.

EVERY fighter has holes in their resumes.

You can't fight everyone.

Also, it's unfair to automatically assume that if a champ doesn't fight someone, it's because he ducked them. That's often not the case, as most people forget that this wonderful sport is also a ruthless business.

Hence why I specifically did not use the phrase 'duck'. There's always a circumstance. Sometimes circumstances reveals a trend though.