Official Floyd Mayweather- Manny Pacquiao Postfight aftermath discussion

[The Big Dunn]

1) Yeah that sounds about right.
2) You are entitled to your opinion I suppose.
3) Or it could be both. Well actually the judges who scored 116-112 were more or less fine, I would be hard pressed to find evidence for an 118-110 win for May though. Just saying the commentators were being accurate doesn't really mean much to me - maybe I'll go back and find other good comentating tidbits to add to my previous example, but I recall some moments Pac landed good shots without receiving credit and some moments Floyd threw at air and got tonsof credit.


1) Sounds like you are being very particular about the wording. Point is that the pic shows what is pretty clearly Floyd pulling on Manny's right arm and pushing off of Manny's face for leverage.

2) I am confused by this comment. Maybe my comment was unclear? I was saying that regardless of whatever circumstances there was or was not, Manny lost that fight. That being said, I was saying that because of the circumstances (including the injury) there may be reason to think it could have gone differently in a different situation. I'm not sure how else to word this.

3) Low blows do not constitute a legitimate strategy. Find me any rulebook from any respected boxing organization that treats them as anything other than something to be avoided/punished for and I'll feel differently. Or find me any respected referee to tell me that low blows are a legitimate tool.

Maybe you're new to this sport. Here is how boxing officials actually view low blows:

There is no way you can make a case Manny did better than he did.

I think if you listen to the fight, surely there were mistakes made as there are with any live event. Overall, the commentary was solid and it was reflective of what the majority of fans thought.

I had it 9-3 myself (Manny winning rounds 4, 6 and 9) so IMO 116-112 or 118-110 are not bad scorecards. Either 8-4, 9-3 or 10-2 IMO reflects what I saw during the fight-Floyd winning wide and comfortably.

[Johnwoo8686]

There is no way you can make a case Manny did better than he did.

I think if you listen to the fight, surely there were mistakes made as there are with any live event. Overall, the commentary was solid and it was reflective of what the majority of fans thought.

I had it 9-3 myself (Manny winning rounds 4, 6 and 9) so IMO 116-112 or 118-110 are not bad scorecards. Either 8-4, 9-3 or 10-2 IMO reflects what I saw during the fight-Floyd winning wide and comfortably.

That guy red K'd me because I stated Manny lost a 9 to 3 type of fight as fact. The thing is if you average the official score cards with the scorecards of the ring side judges it averages out to a 9 to 3 loss for Manny, which is a fact.

[AllEyesOpen]

Looking back to the Marquez fight I'm not surprised the fight turned out the way it did. Both Pac & JMM are evenly matched, excellent fighters who can outwork their opponents in the ring and take control in exchanges but both can be outboxed with ring generalship and a stiff jab.

The only difference was Pacquiao had a handful of moments but not enough opportunities presented to change the momentum of the fight, the Marquez fight was a complete shutout.

Just an observation, you can go back to the same futile exchanges.

[BrometheusBob.]

1. I am particular because those are two completely different things. However, as I already stated, in sports you take advantage of your opponent's weakness/injury. You are gonna have to grow up and accept it one day. So if you think Floyd is yanking his arm out by pushing off his face for leverage and you see all that in that one pic, thats fine. Im still cool with any fighter doing it.

2. You can play the what if game all you want. Tell me when you come up with an answer.

3. You are funny with your rule book. Tell me why Cal did it to Hops. Tell me Zab did it to Floyd. Tell me why Cotto did it to Zab. Tell me why Whitaker did it to Chavez and vice versa. Tell me why Trinidad did it to Vargas?...

1) Well I also saw this in the fight. But anyway, we'll just have to agree to disagree with what should be condoned in a ring.

2. Ok?

3) You said it was "not even frowned upon." The fact that boxers have used it does not demonstrate to me that it is not frowned upon.

If it is clearly against the rules, if officials make clear that they will take points off/issue DQs for it, then it is frowned upon.

[BrometheusBob.]

Looking back to the Marquez fight I'm not surprised the fight turned out the way it did. Both Pac & JMM are evenly matched, excellent fighters who can outwork their opponents in the ring and take control in exchanges but both can be outboxed with ring generalship and a stiff jab.

The only difference was Pacquiao had a handful of moments but not enough opportunities presented to change the momentum of the fight, the Marquez fight was a complete shutout.

Just an observation, you can go back to the same futile exchanges.

Good post.

[The Big Dunn]

That guy red K'd me because I stated Manny lost a 9 to 3 type of fight as fact. The thing is if you average the official score cards with the scorecards of the ring side judges it averages out to a 9 to 3 loss for Manny, which is a fact.

Absolutely. good point. if you throw out the lowest and highest outliers, you are left with the fact that the overwhelming majority saw this fight about 9-3 for Floyd.

As with any fight that goes to the cards there are some legitimate outliers. Maybe, BrometheusBob is an outlier and I am lumping him in with the crap posters unfairly.

[BrometheusBob.]

That guy red K'd me because I stated Manny lost a 9 to 3 type of fight as fact. The thing is if you average the official score cards with the scorecards of the ring side judges it averages out to a 9 to 3 loss for Manny, which is a fact.

Averages out to 9-3, but who says this is the proper way to aggregate the scoring from the judges? This is where your opinion comes in. An opposing opinion would be to do a round by round majority vote, which does not result in 9-3.

[b00g13man]

Plus, even if it were legal, it would be a pretty unsportsmanlike thing to do (read: a **** thing to do).

Oh you mean punching someone in the face in a boxing match? That's crazy. I would have expected Pac to see that his totally legal punches hurt Margarito's face and then switch up with punches to the calves instead.

Yep, that's you calling it a "unsportsmanlike" and a "**** move" even if it were legal. So would punching an already injured fighter in the face.

[b00g13man]

That guy red K'd me because I stated Manny lost a 9 to 3 type of fight as fact. The thing is if you average the official score cards with the scorecards of the ring side judges it averages out to a 9 to 3 loss for Manny, which is a fact.

He did the same to me. It's all they have left. Like red K means something.

[BrometheusBob.]

Yep, that's you calling it a "unsportsmanlike" and a "**** move" even if it were legal. So would punching an already injured fighter in the face.

lol @ comparing punching an opponent in the face and pulling on an arm because you know the shoulder was injured.

He did the same to me. It's all they have left. Like red K means something.

I imagine it was for something specific. I don't just give red k to people who like Floyd and/or dislike Pac, but I don't remember the context in your case.