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Mayweather is better than Marquez, but will do much worst against Pacquaio.
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Originally posted by CatchAndShoot View PostDid you see JMM's face in the process? You're joking right?
JMM couldn't counter the right because he's not a southpaw. An orthodox conventional fighter is nothing to Floyd.
A southpaw that's not Victor Ortiz, Guerrero, Judah, and that's actually great will give Floyd the fight of his life.
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Originally posted by MayMosPeaHop View PostFMJ fought Judah in 2006. FMJ has definitely made adjustments to how he fights southpaws. And Sr. has a old school way of thinking when it comes to fighting southpaws. Don't fight them. I think he did have problems years ago, bit not anymore. You can see a clear difference in his tactics and right arm position.
So you can't exactly say that he's improved when the level of opposition went down.
I'm with the guys that thinks Floyd can't/won't use the shoulder roll against Pac, especially now that Pac throws lead lefts.
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Originally posted by MayMosPeaHop View PostThe burden of proof is not on me. If you have seen it, show it. Also, I never said incapable. I would like to see it.
You also stated that Pacquiao gets tired(winded) after moving for three rounds. Is there any fight where he has been winded after three rounds that you can show?
If you are right about Pacquiaos stamina I will gladly say so because I cannot recall him being tired from moving for three rounds. ever
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Originally posted by ironmt View PostIf you would like to see It, go to youtube and watch the first three rounds. Then let us know If Floyd can be caught with a three punch combination.
You also stated that Pacquiao gets tired(winded) after moving for three rounds. Is there any fight where he has been winded after three rounds that you can show?
If you are right about Pacquiaos stamina I will gladly say so because I cannot recall him being tired from moving for three rounds. ever
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Styles make fights..
Marquez as the uncanny ability to get blazed on and damaged, yet still hang tough in the pocket and unleash killer counter combos.. Marquez and morales both have the ability to withstand the manny onslaught and fire back.. That's why manny has so much trouble with them, whereas other guys like clottey, Bradley, algieri, etc would just shell up when manny unloaded and they never were able to withstand the shots and fire back on manny.. That's what gives Marquez and morales so much success vs manny..
The key with floyd is will he be able to eat a manny straight left and come firing back like Marquez and morales, or will he eat a punch and then look to go defensive and get away and reset.. I think if floyd goes on the defensive he has a legit chance of being outpointed by manny's high activity...
Floyd has to be willing to stand his ground vs manny when the punches are flying.. Or he risks the chance of getting outpointed by the busier southpaw much in the same vein as calzaghe-hopkins..
Floyd needs to be aggressive and walk down manny behind the lead right
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Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali View PostStyles make fights..
Marquez as the uncanny ability to get blazed on and damaged, yet still hang tough in the pocket and unleash killer counter combos.. Marquez and morales both have the ability to withstand the manny onslaught and fire back.. That's why manny has so much trouble with them, whereas other guys like clottey, Bradley, algieri, etc would just shell up when manny unloaded and they never were able to withstand the shots and fire back on manny.. That's what gives Marquez and morales so much success vs manny..
The key with floyd is will he be able to eat a manny straight left and come firing back like Marquez and morales, or will he eat a punch and then look to go defensive and get away and reset.. I think if floyd goes on the defensive he has a legit chance of being outpointed by manny's high activity...
Floyd has to be willing to stand his ground vs manny when the punches are flying.. Or he risks the chance of getting outpointed by the busier southpaw much in the same vein as calzaghe-hopkins..
Floyd needs to be aggressive and walk down manny behind the lead right
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Marquez and Pacquiao move around the entire ring when they fight, and Marquez shuffles back and forth making it difficult to see when Marquez is going to get off first, as you say, or lay in wait and counter in the pocket. This fluidity makes Pacquiao nervous. Constant fainting, constant pivoting. Just watch the middle and late rounds of the fight. The two are always bouncing. My point is that Floyd's not going to do that and if he wants to win he'll have to improvise something that neutralizes Pacquiao's angles. Even in losing to Marquez in my eyes, Pacquiao was still able to close or widen the distance at a moment's notice.
I don't believe Mayweather would take away the angle the same ways, make Pacquiao jittery with constant movement and shifting of rhythm, and reduce him to a straight-lined fighter. That's all.
Also, Marquez does often exchange, or what he does is displaces Pacquiao's momentum with pivots and backsteps, and then takes advantage of him by shooting under with a left uppercut and over with a right hand. He ducks down and uses his similar size to come from odd angles on the inside. It's dynamic and part of his style. Floyd doesn't really counter in the same way. Marquez takes these risks and rolls with punches inside that maybe Mayweather won't have to, but to land, he'll have to control the distance and limit Pac's offensive angle.
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Floyd is gonna walk down Manny and impose his size and reach, which he wont be prepared for, and take an advantage in points on winning rounds, then manny is gonna get desperate and run RIGHT into something and get knocked down then he's really gonna get wild and Floyd is gonna embarrass Manny with his boxing skill and potshot him for the rest of the fight win a lopsided decision or stop manny late then the second fight is gonna be the good one in which Floyd thinks he can take manny's best punch and we will get a good fight in which floyd ko's manny
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Originally posted by MayMosPeaHop View PostI do not see him using his earmuff defense a lot against Manny because of his size and reach. Manny's best attribute is his feet. Manny is a pretty conventional fighter now, but his feet are great. Manny's problem will be when he steps forward what will FMJ do? Marquez would move back and make Manny reset and also counter off that movement. Remember the knockout. FMJ can implement JMM's same game plan but to me FMJ does not have to move as much. Watch the JMM fight. FMJ treats shorter fighters that fight at distance like little kids. To me, that is the worry for Manny. Can he reach FMJ. Will his combinations become predictable? There was plenty of times when JMM was in close to with FMJ and he just parried all JMM punches.
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