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Arum: Mayweather - The Only Impediment in a Deal
Bob Arum lying as usual. HBO and Showtime are not talking to each other. Lier, lier, pants on fire!!Comment
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I caught some flak for few days for saying "Floyd don't want the fight, and I don't blame him." Arum is the reason why. How can you blow up one fight with "he's afraid of needles." Blow up another fight with "I need an out door stadium, his cuts aren't healed." Then ask for a boycott of Maidana I because it's non-competetive (and follow-up with Algeri on top of that), and then wonder why Floyd does not want Arum involved in the negotiations. Again, I don't blame Floyd for not wanting the fight. Arum wants Chavez Jr. manager out the negotiations, and wants his father to take over. Arum wanted Bradley's manager out the negotiations, and negotiated with Bradley's wife. Now he should take himself out the negotiations. He should let Mayweather promote the fight on Showtime, and he take a cut of Manny's purse:
“Kung ‘yun ang kondisyon niya at kung gusto ni Manny – at mukhang gusto ni Manny na labanan si Floyd– ang tanging paraan is no renewal of any contract with Bob Arum. [If that is Floyd’s condition and if Manny agrees – and it looks like Manny will agree to fight Floyd - the only way is not to renew his contract with Bob Arum's Top Rank.] Manny should be a freelancer for the fight to happen,” Gacal further said.
The long-time lawyer of Pacquiao also said Arum could give way for the fight and agree to a step-aside fee.
“Floyd could agree to Manny hiring Bob on a contractual basis with a fixed fee,” Gacal explained. He said Floyd may not agree to a full co-promotion with Arum. If Arum steps aside and Floyd agrees, the fight could happen later this year.
Both Mayweather and Pacquiao are already set to return to the ring in May and April respectively, although no opponent has been named yet for either boxer.
Floyd and Arum had an acrimonious separation after years of working together. Floyd is under contract with Showtime while Arum has almost exclusively dealt with rival HBO cable network. But Arum’s son Todd Duboef, also Top Rank president, earlier said they are open to holding the fight on Showtime.
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I'll believe the Caucasian multi millionaire business man/ boxing promoter over the convicted woman beater/ chronic liar any day of the week.Comment
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Floyd is acting like a ***** but Bob The Builder can kiss my ass too. He's just as responsible.Comment
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Why won't Floyd work with Arum? He should put his personal feelings aside, business is business. The fight is stalled because of Floyd's personal problem with Arum.
Should Pacquiao have resigned with Arum? Yes if he feels like theres nothing wrong with his arrangement. Blaming that is pathetic, Floyd has the problem, not Manny.
Its not as if Floyd is going to have to sign with Arum to take the Pacquiao fight is it..
Thats the only issue I don't understand, and noone seems to really talk about itComment
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For all of Arum's success, though, he has offended some along the way.Originally posted by Pacquiaotard86 View Post
In a 1979 bout, Arum was so outraged by a judge's score he repeatedly yelled "Fix!" in the Puerto Rico ring, prompting a lawsuit by the judge and an out-of-court settlement. In the 1990s, Arum paid a boxing manager who intended to use the cash to bribe a boxing official to help sanction a title fight. And in 2004, the FBI also raided Arum's office because a convicted murderer-informant alleged fight fixing by Top Rank after Arum retained him as a fighter. No indictments were filed.
Arum is also celebrated for saying in 1981: "Yesterday, I was lying. Today, I'm telling the truth."
Defending Bob Arum is quite hard for a number of reasons. He's a famous liar, well-known to veteran fans as a promoter that tends to totally exaggerate negotiations to ensure that he comes out looking holier than thou.
Team Mayweather wasn't even the first to make these claims. It's been coming out of his own camp.
Michael Marley, the day after Arum's infamous "teleconference," came right out and said it. This was days before Leonard Ellerbe spoke.
Marley, a Top Rank/Pacquiao writer, and a close friend of Arum's, was just as perplexed by Arum's deadline. He didn't get it; he couldn't work out what Arum was up to. So he went digging.
He spoke to his Top Rank people, and was shocked with the answer. Again, this was days before Ellerbe spoke.
Negotiation just hadn't been happening. They'd started, briefly, but capitulated almost instantly, according to Marley...
Marley claimed that Arum had only spoken to Greenburg once, months ago. And that conversation was little more than Arum telling him his demands. Demands that Golden Boy just weren't interested in.
That's basically it. No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals.
Bob Arum, according to Marley, just spent the next five weeks "blowing smoke to the media," to try and confuse the situation and giving the impression that he was breaking his back to make the deal.
When in truth, Mayweather vs. Pacquiao was the last thing Arum wanted for 2010.
Why did the talks fail? According to Marley, contrary to most reports, Pacquiao was unwilling to move an inch on drug testing. And Mayweather was unwilling to move an inch on money.
Pretty predictable.
As another example of the way Arum operates, it also turns out that "Pacquiao accepting 14 days" was just more "smoke" as part of the Arum charade.
The original quote from Pacquiao was 100 percent fake. Arum has admitted as much. The second quote from Pacquiao was real, but for PR purposes. Pacquiao's manager denied it was accurate, when quizzed soon after.
To confirm the charade, only days ago, Arum was asked straight up, what drug terms Pacquiao had agreed to and he was unable to give an answer.
This is a man who had an agreement with Mayweather's people? He couldn't even answer what the supposed drug agreement was?
So what actually happened? According to Marley, Arum made these claims days before anyone from team Mayweather spoke out.
Well, Arum has allegedly been fixing a Pacquiao vs. Margarito bout in the Middle East for months. But he knew full well that he couldn't make the fight without being seen to be trying to make Mayweather vs. Pacquiao first.
Plus, HBO, after pressure from Golden Boy, flat out told him that he'd have to approach Mayweather first, or they would not work on a Margarito fight.
Arum, according to Marley, approached Greenburg with his terms for the fight. Terms, Marley suspects, that were never going to be accepted. Terms, that in regards to drug testing, were even worse than the last fight.
That's basically it. Golden Boy felt Arum was not being serious, and had no intention of negotiating further.
Arum played the media, and proclaimed that he was "waiting for Floyd to accept his offer." Which, I guess, was technically true. The big lie came with Arum's claims that these terms had been negotiated and accepted.
Marley claims that this is just 100 percent false. There were no real talks. No deals. No agreements. No contracts.
In a strange way, neither side is technically lying. Most likely, after taking legal advice, they've worded it all very carefully.
Arum claimed that he was waiting for Mayweather to agree to his offer, and had been dealing with Greenberg. The problem being, his dealings with Greenberg amounted to one conversation in which he sent him an awful offer, knowing full well it wouldn't work. No negotiations, talks, or discussions whatsoever.
Arum's offer. Countdown clock. Lots of BS about "terms being agreed by both sides."
Mayweather's people are technically speaking the truth as well. There were never any negotiations, talks, agreements, deals. Just Arum blowing smoke to the press.
Why did Arum exaggerate his efforts so much? Because he wanted to set up Margarito vs. Pacquiao and couldn't justify it without trying to pin the blame on someone else.
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I'll believe a woman beater and chronic liar over a white ***ish multi millionaire who admitted to a federal grand jury that he's fixed fights beforeComment
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Just another way that a$$hole Arum uses Floyd name to build his fighter fights. Name dropping is perfectly legal in boxing. Both parties understand the politics of boxing very wellComment
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