Comments Thread For: Arum: Mayweather - The Only Impediment in a Deal

[bimhead]

what else is a casual to think its all that is projected into the media , most fans are sheep , i mean you got to be right into the entire time-line of events to know the truth , for instance arums bs countdown timer was nothing more than a publicity stunt , floyd wasnt even around at the time he was on vacation sailing a boat with his family , arum knew it and arum had already promised margarito the fight a mth earlier , the only way to know that is to listen to a sole interview with margarito where he says it .

Following the time line and dates of who said what is very revealing .

I like manny coming out from under arums skirt and calling out floyd directly , this is what was needed all along , i hope manny himself makes as much noise as possible , and for arum he should shut his lying mouth and let manny push for the fight , fighter addressing fighter is great , arum should take a hike because its him that floyd hates and its arum that floyd does not want to make a dime of his back .

well floyd can just suck it up,then!-he wants everyone to kiss his ass,nice attitude,but then it is floyd after all.

[bimhead]

ask my promoter .

yah,we know and build a stadium....got to tell you,these catch phrases are unproductive...and are sooooo playyyyyed out! Piss on the past,shake hands and start new negotiations,make each other rich,off the backs of the fans...or f-off and retire.they're both just gonna end up broke anyways and we'll have the last pathetic laugh.

[bigjavi973]

Yeah, it's hilarious. I mean casuals like most pro/ex-pro fighters all think this. What utter noobs.

Nuthuggers can't see the forest for the trees. Mayweather has a Bob Arum problem now. Before that it was a money problem. Before that it was an unprecedented drug testing problem which was tacked on to defamatory accusations that TMT have paid out for in court.

There's always something stopping Mayweather wanting the fight. These are not words coming from Arum or Manny. These are the words coming out of Floyd's mouth. Sure, now we hear TMT invited that slimeball Koncz over for a chat and now Ariza accuses him of being a slimeball. Like Ariza has ever done anything but sh** stir any time he's been involved in anything - this is a guy that sucker kicked a guy with Parkinsons - and now he comments, apparently his word is gospel and the nuthuggers are out in force to spout how much Mayweather has tried to make the fight.

Yeah, the guy that has tried to make the fight is the guy that always has a problem with it... *rolls eyes* you suckers.

Exactly.
Manny:"I want to fight you, floyd"
Floyd:"You gotta take a drug test."
Manny:"Why? Im not on drugs"
Floyd:"You walked through cotto doe"
Manny:"Fine, standard 24 day cut off."
Floyd:"Nope, 14 days or not fight"
Manny:"What? No."

Manny:"Floyd ill take the test, even up to the day of the fight"
Floyd"You got to give me more money. 60-40 and no ppv revenue for you"
Manny:"What happened to 50-50?"
Floyd:"No. 60-40/no ppv rev its whats on the table"
Manny:"Thats crazy! 55-45 ppv split in half"
Floyd:"Its 60-40 no ppv or no fight"
Manny:"What! you're crazy. No."

Manny:"Floyd, Ill take the test and the money. Now lets fight"
Floyd:"I don't do business with bob arum doe"
Manny:"We were doing business before"
Floyd:"Ive changed my mind. Sign to FMP and fight under TMT and get some fights in and then you can fight me. If not, no fight"

I think this pretty much somes up floyds excuses in the ealry times lol

[bimhead]

is building a new stadium no longer an impediment?

beat ya' to the b.s!

[Real Talk85]

One thing I never understood about this saga is why Floyd hasn't sued Arum for Slander.


To this point all Top Rank has done is "talk" about making a fight with Floyd. Floyd has
been the only one to actually make any tangible offers, 4 times now.

When this was first announced and Floyd signed the contract and Manny didn't because of testing, even though him and Roach said they would take any test Floyd wanted before they found out it was Olympic style.

Then after many top rank objections Floyd contacts Manny directly offering him terms, and 40 mil. And is again turned away. Regardless of the fact Manny said he wasn't concerned about the money he wanted to fight for the people.

Floyds last ditch effort saw him getting his sentence delayed by to make the fight only to have Arum make up stories and move Manny's fight date TWICE to avoid Floyd. After getting called on his b.s. by Dan Rafeal of ESPN, Arum starts making up stories about needing to build stadiums.

So now Floyd moves on and refuses to work with this bum, but every-time Manny is fighting someone sub par they promote it by building up that opponent as a stepping stone to Floyd Mayweather? They aren't even hiding what they are doing, and it's clear they are using the idea of a fight with him to promote and keep Manny relevant.

Why hasn't Floyd taken them to court on the destruction of his image? It would be a cake walk to show Top Rank had no intention of making this fight as they have made zero effort for negotiation, but rather run a five year long smear campaign using Floyd Mayweather as a patsy.

[bimhead]

100...............

LOLOL-ONE HUNDRED,100!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bimhead]

i caught some flak for few days for saying "floyd don't want the fight, and i don't blame him." arum is the reason why. How can you blow up one fight with "he's afraid of needles." blow up another fight with "i need an out door stadium, his cuts aren't healed." then ask for a boycott of maidana i because it's non-competetive (and follow-up with algeri on top of that), and then wonder why floyd does not want arum involved in the negotiations. Again, i don't blame floyd for not wanting the fight. Arum wants chavez jr. Manager out the negotiations, and wants his father to take over. Arum wanted bradley's manager out the negotiations, and negotiated with bradley's wife. Now he should take himself out the negotiations. He should let mayweather promote the fight on showtime, and he take a cut of manny's purse:

“kung ‘yun ang kondisyon niya at kung gusto ni manny – at mukhang gusto ni manny na labanan si floyd– ang tanging paraan is no renewal of any contract with bob arum. [if that is floyd’s condition and if manny agrees – and it looks like manny will agree to fight floyd - the only way is not to renew his contract with bob arum's top rank.] manny should be a freelancer for the fight to happen,” gacal further said.

the long-time lawyer of pacquiao also said arum could give way for the fight and agree to a step-aside fee.

“floyd could agree to manny hiring bob on a contractual basis with a fixed fee,” gacal explained. He said floyd may not agree to a full co-promotion with arum. If arum steps aside and floyd agrees, the fight could happen later this year.

Both mayweather and pacquiao are already set to return to the ring in may and april respectively, although no opponent has been named yet for either boxer.

Floyd and arum had an acrimonious separation after years of working together. Floyd is under contract with showtime while arum has almost exclusively dealt with rival hbo cable network. but arum’s son todd duboef, also top rank president, earlier said they are open to holding the fight on showtime.

well,thats pretty good news!

[bimhead]

for all of arum's success, though, he has offended some along the way.

In a 1979 bout, arum was so outraged by a judge's score he repeatedly yelled "fix!" in the puerto rico ring, prompting a lawsuit by the judge and an out-of-court settlement. In the 1990s, arum paid a boxing manager who intended to use the cash to bribe a boxing official to help sanction a title fight. And in 2004, the fbi also raided arum's office because a convicted murderer-informant alleged fight fixing by top rank after arum retained him as a fighter. No indictments were filed.

Arum is also celebrated for saying in 1981: "yesterday, i was lying. Today, i'm telling the truth."



defending bob arum is quite hard for a number of reasons. He's a famous liar, well-known to veteran fans as a promoter that tends to totally exaggerate negotiations to ensure that he comes out looking holier than thou.

Team mayweather wasn't even the first to make these claims. It's been coming out of his own camp.

Michael marley, the day after arum's infamous "teleconference," came right out and said it. This was days before leonard ellerbe spoke.

marley, a top rank/pacquiao writer, and a close friend of arum's, was just as perplexed by arum's deadline. He didn't get it; he couldn't work out what arum was up to. So he went digging.

he spoke to his top rank people, and was shocked with the answer. Again, this was days before ellerbe spoke.

Negotiation just hadn't been happening. They'd started, briefly, but capitulated almost instantly, according to marley...

marley claimed that arum had only spoken to greenburg once, months ago. And that conversation was little more than arum telling him his demands. Demands that golden boy just weren't interested in.

That's basically it. No meetings, no talks, no agreements, no contracts, no deals.

Bob arum, according to marley, just spent the next five weeks "blowing smoke to the media," to try and confuse the situation and giving the impression that he was breaking his back to make the deal.

when in truth, mayweather vs. Pacquiao was the last thing arum wanted for 2010.

Why did the talks fail? According to marley, contrary to most reports, pacquiao was unwilling to move an inch on drug testing. And mayweather was unwilling to move an inch on money.

Pretty predictable.

as another example of the way arum operates, it also turns out that "pacquiao accepting 14 days" was just more "smoke" as part of the arum charade.

The original quote from pacquiao was 100 percent fake. Arum has admitted as much. The second quote from pacquiao was real, but for pr purposes. Pacquiao's manager denied it was accurate, when quizzed soon after.

To confirm the charade, only days ago, arum was asked straight up, what drug terms pacquiao had agreed to and he was unable to give an answer.

This is a man who had an agreement with mayweather's people? He couldn't even answer what the supposed drug agreement was?

so what actually happened? According to marley, arum made these claims days before anyone from team mayweather spoke out.

well, arum has allegedly been fixing a pacquiao vs. Margarito bout in the middle east for months. But he knew full well that he couldn't make the fight without being seen to be trying to make mayweather vs. Pacquiao first.

plus, hbo, after pressure from golden boy, flat out told him that he'd have to approach mayweather first, or they would not work on a margarito fight.

Arum, according to marley, approached greenburg with his terms for the fight. Terms, marley suspects, that were never going to be accepted. Terms, that in regards to drug testing, were even worse than the last fight.

That's basically it. Golden boy felt arum was not being serious, and had no intention of negotiating further.

Arum played the media, and proclaimed that he was "waiting for floyd to accept his offer." which, i guess, was technically true. The big lie came with arum's claims that these terms had been negotiated and accepted.

Marley claims that this is just 100 percent false. There were no real talks. No deals. No agreements. No contracts.

In a strange way, neither side is technically lying. Most likely, after taking legal advice, they've worded it all very carefully.

Arum claimed that he was waiting for mayweather to agree to his offer, and had been dealing with greenberg. The problem being, his dealings with greenberg amounted to one conversation in which he sent him an awful offer, knowing full well it wouldn't work. No negotiations, talks, or discussions whatsoever.

Arum's offer. Countdown clock. Lots of bs about "terms being agreed by both sides."

mayweather's people are technically speaking the truth as well. There were never any negotiations, talks, agreements, deals. Just arum blowing smoke to the press.

why did arum exaggerate his efforts so much? Because he wanted to set up margarito vs. Pacquiao and couldn't justify it without trying to pin the blame on someone else.

so,do you believe arum wants the fight now?....hard to tell,with all the b.s!

[Deevel916]

Floyd the Impediment master!


1.Slanders him as a cheat then demands he take drug tests in order to fight.

2. I cant do business with Bob Arum.

3. I'm retired. I'm not thinking about Manny Pacquiao

4. Where was Manny Pacquiao in 96, 97, 98?

3. Everyone wants to see me fight Pacquiao but my health is more important.

4. $40mil flat fee with no ppv upside for Pacquiao (for a fight that would be the highest grossing fight of all time)

5. And yes Pacquiao you're next. Next day...I never said that!

6. Pacquiao must become his own boss first.

7. Pacquiao has Timothy Bradley problems

8. Pacquiao has JMM problems

9. Pacquiao has IRS problems and wants to fight me for a payday (notice how Floyd admitted that Pac actually wants to fight him)

7. Pacquiao must join TMT and give me some fights before I fight him.

8. Pacquiao must leave Bob Arum (mind you Pac is under contract)

9. Mayweather Promotions must promote the entire fight. No Top Rank (like Bob Arum would allow this. LOL)

10. It can only happen on Showtime ppv not HBO (mind you Showtime and HBO are willing to co-feature the event). If they're willing, why should Floyd care?

[Real Talk85]

Floyd the Impediment master!


1.Slanders him as a cheat then demands he take drug tests in order to fight.

2. I cant do business with Bob Arum.

3. I'm retired. I'm not thinking about Manny Pacquiao

4. Where was Manny Pacquiao in 96, 97, 98?

3. Everyone wants to see me fight Pacquiao but my health is more important.

4. $40mil flat fee with no ppv upside for Pacquiao (for a fight that would be the highest grossing fight of all time)

5. And yes Pacquiao you're next. Next day...I never said that!

6. Pacquiao must become his own boss first.

7. Pacquiao has Timothy Bradley problems

8. Pacquiao has JMM problems

9. Pacquiao has IRS problems and wants to fight me for a payday (notice how Floyd admitted that Pac actually wants to fight him)

7. Pacquiao must join TMT and give me some fights before I fight him.

8. Pacquiao must leave Bob Arum (mind you Pac is under contract)

9. Mayweather Promotions must promote the entire fight. No Top Rank (like Bob Arum would allow this. LOL)

10. It can only happen on Showtime ppv not HBO (mind you Showtime and HBO are willing to co-feature the event). If they're willing, why should Floyd care?

Those aren't demands those are statements in response to specific questions. Many of them coming after Floyd already announced he wasn't working with them. Not one has anything to do with a negotiation.