Mike Tyson VS Bruce Lee. No rules street fight. Who wins and how?

[SplitSecond]

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[IronDanHamza]

So, Ryu from Street Fighter isn't a fighter?

He goes around testing his skills against notable worldly competition, although mythical, does he not classify as a fighter?


There is a distinct difference between either defending yourself or taking on someone because he called you out, as oppose to going around challenging yourself in the streets. I'll say it again, it's disrespectful what your stating here.

Ryu? That is your example? Ryu is an animated character from a game. Yeah he's a fighter, a fictional one. Nothing alike to this conversation. Well on the other hand that is what Bruce Lee is so maybe it isn't so bad on second thought. What's the next thread "Who wins? Ryu from Street Fighter or Muhammad Ali"? Fitting.

It's not disrespectful. What I consider disrespectful is calling guys fighters who fight on the street or "train a style" when there's world class professional athletes who do it for a living. That's why I would find disrespectful. Especially if I was an actual fighter.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Well firstly how can we access his power and timing?

Secondly, physical attributes alone don't suggest anything really. We can't really access anything off of it.

Having a glass chin is the first of many.

How is he mentally? Will he fold under pressure? Can he take a body shot? What's his Ring IQ? Would he get frustrated if a fight wasn't going well?

There is endless questions to consider when a guy has never experienced any of these things before.

Which is another reason why you can't be considered a fighter without being a professional fighter.

I agree. But I didn't think it was necessary to list every attribute necessary for a successful boxing career. I believe having a glass chin would invariably lead to the demise of someone's top-shelf pugilistic aspirations. Everyone gets hit, even Floyd.

Not to me it's not.

I've had so many street fights in my lifetime. Won some, lost some. No way on this Earth would I consider myself a "fighter".

I know an endless list of guys who have fights. Literally meaningless to me.

"Street fights" are worthless.

Kimbo Slice would not have met your definition of "fighter," yet he barely was one when he beat former heavyweight champion and Olympic gold medallist Ray Mercer in under two minutes of an MMA fight. I guess all those backyard brawls meant something.

[IronDanHamza]

Not all "non sanctioned" fights involve bumbling idiots. I already said quality of form can differ too from scenario to scenario so I covered that. Two masters of legitimate arts merely pushing hands/sparring are impressive to watch. Let alone when they are actually dueling how they used to. Don't you think you are being a bit close minded?

And the second... It can be easily argued that a Navy seal with real hand to hand combat experience is more of a fighter than a guy in a ring fighting under safer conditions.

It is mostly. And I have no time of day for it.

Like I said, people who fight as a profession is what I consider a fighter.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Ryu? That is your example? Ryu is an animated character from a game. Yeah he's a fighter, a fictional one. Nothing alike to this conversation. Well on the other hand that is what Bruce Lee is so maybe it isn't so bad on second thought. What's the next thread "Who wins? Ryu from Street Fighter or Muhammad Ali"? Fitting.

It's not disrespectful. What I consider disrespectful is calling guys fighters who fight on the street or "train a style" when there's world class professional athletes who do it for a living. That's why I would find disrespectful. Especially if I was an actual fighter.

So then you admit one wouldn't have to fight professionally. That's all I'm saying man.

[IronDanHamza]

I agree. But I didn't think it was necessary to list every attribute necessary for a successful boxing career. I believe having a glass chin would invariably lead to the demise of someone's top-shelf pugilistic aspirations. Everyone gets hit, even Floyd.



Kimbo Slice would not have met your definition of "fighter," yet he barely was one when he beat former heavyweight champion and Olympic gold medallist Ray Mercer in under two minutes of an MMA fight. I guess all those backyard brawls meant something.

Kimbo Slice wasn't a fighter Why because he beat up those guys on youtube? All of those guys are fighters to you? They aren't to me.

I remember when people used to say Kimbo Slice would beat a prime Mike Tyson like this thread Based off "Being a street fighter" and beating all those "street fighters" think he showed that when he did start actually fighting.

I have no idea what the fact he beat Ray Mercer shows.

But no Kimbo Slice wasn't considered a fighter to me until he went professional.

We want to talk about disrespect, I find calling those bums he beat up on "fighters" to be disrespectful.

[Doctor_Tenma]

This, even though Tyson would obviously wreck Lee.

I have got a feeling that most people on here have never been in fights or have even seen them. Applying boxing logic to fighting doesn't really work same with all martial arts, you have to have the right mentality in a 'street' fight. I have seen guys that I know were talented boxers get hit in a real fight and completely freeze up and get their ass whipped. Not saying a discipline can't be a great advantage but being in the ring with people around and the comfort of that is so different to an all out fight. It seems a lot of the guys on here imagine a 'street' fight as two gentlemen meeting up for some kind of honourable contest

I mean I don't want to get too fictional on here, I already did in a sense but there is so much more to fighting than what we see in these combat sports, it's not even funny.

[IronDanHamza]

So then you admit one wouldn't have to fight professionally. That's all I'm saying man.

Well if you're a fictional character then no. But that's entirely different.

In the actual real world, in reality, yes, you do.

Obviously in definition anyone can have a fight, I can go outside a punch an elderly lady in the face and knock her out and we would have just technically had a fight but that doesn't make us "fighters" in my eyes.

[SplitSecond]

this particular photo i think is sparring with joe lewis(kickboxer), funny how lewis is the only one with headgear

and found the story behind the pics of the young bruce lee, apparently a boxing tournament between schools boxing teams

By Richard Torres

Here is a story about Bruce Lee that has never been seen in any movie or documentary. It is a true story and has all the drama of a movie.

It is 1956 and Bruce Lee is enrolled in St. Francis Xavier’s College (High School). In the school he is mentored by a teacher by the name of Brother Edward. During the years in this school, Bruce Lee continues to get in trouble getting into fights in the streets and in the school.

By 1958, at the age of seventeen, Bruce Lee is asked by Brother Edwards to join the school’s Boxing Team. Brother Edwards feels that he can channel that fighting spirit and energy of young Bruce Lee in a positive way. Every year a bout is held with twelve schools and the winning school for the last three years has been the King George V School. This school has always been the rival school with St. Francis Xavier College. Most of the attendants of the King George V School are British boys who taunt the Chinese boys in St. Francis Xavier when they pass by the school. But the Boxing Champion of all the schools, Gary Elms of the King George V School, has not been beaten by anyone and has remained the champion for the last three years.

Bruce Lee accepts Brother Edwards’ offer and joins the Boxing Team of St. Francis Xavier. To the surprise of many of the members of the Boxing Team, Bruce would do little or no training with them. He continued his Wing Chun training with Wong Shun Leung and with William Cheung in the weekends. Wing Chun had allowed Bruce to be victorious in many challenges between Gung Fu Schools and in street fights. He felt Wing Chun would also help him in this Boxing Bout.

It was March 29, 1958 and the time had arrived for the Boxing Tournament to take place. All twelve High Schools attended the match. The preliminary bouts were held first. This determined who would be eliminated and who would make it to the final matches. Bruce Lee fought three preliminary bouts with three different opponents. He was able to knock them all out in the first round. He accomplished this more from his aggressiveness and wild swinging punches, as if he were in a street fight, more than from his Wing Chun training.

By defeating his three opponents, Bruce Lee made it all the way to the final bout. He was paired against the British boy, Gary Elms, who had been the defending Boxing Champion for three straight years.
Elms’ skill level was much higher than the previous three opponents that Bruce fought. He attacked vigorously forward and pressured young Bruce Lee to the corners of the ring, causing Bruce to swing wildly as he had done on the previous bouts, but this time with no effect on his opponent.

By the second round, Bruce expected the same attacks and was able to use some of the Wing Chun blocks against Elms’ punches. This time, Bruce Lee did not run back to the corners from Elms’ attacks.
The bout continued into the third round. This time Bruce blocked and hit and parried and hit anytime Gary Elm threw punches at him. Finally, he jumped in on Elms and Straight Blasted his way through, knocking out the Champ in the Third Round.

This was quite an accomplishment for Bruce Lee. Now St. Francis Xavier College brought home the winning title against their rival school, King George V School. For the many Chinese boys attending the competition, it made them proud that a Chinese boy finally won this competition over the three-time British Champion.
When Bruce Lee finally left Hong Kong to America on April 1959, he left as the 1958 School Boxing Champion and the 1958 Crown Colony Cha Cha Champion of Hong Kong. Accomplishments that he rarely talked about in America.

[Syf]

It is mostly. And I have no time of day for it.

Like I said, people who fight as a profession is what I consider a fighter.

Well soldiers are being paid to fight... They just aren't entertaining you too.. Is that the problem..?

I'm really very mystified by this point of view..

Maybe you were just involved with low rent street fights then.. (Bar fights or some such with drunk sloppy non training slobs, yes?) If you've never seen something you can see your way to respecting outside of a ring,