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    #61
    Originally posted by JoartCC
    To be honest, Duran is the least great of the four greats in his time. He's not the best flyweight also because he had numerous losses which were really bad losses. Losses to Hagler, Hearns, Sugar Ray.

    On the other hand, PAC's era is also quite similar to the era of Sugar Ray and company.

    Comparing PAC with a poor man's Duran is quite frankly, quite dumb and has really little or no basis to it.

    PAC is dominating in a fashion that Duran never did, PAC has not only defeated Mexican all-time greats but also pummels them so bad, that it leaves no doubt as to who the winner is. Duran on the other hand, got beat by all his nemesis.

    PAC like Duran posseses KO power, both are sluggers, small in size but makes up for it with a granite chin (although Duran was KO'd by Hearns), and both have similar styles. But that is where Duran's comparison with PAC ends.

    PAC has improved and continues to peak where Duran was never able to accomplish. Duran got humiliated from slick boxers like Leonard, he was never able to answer the puzzles of fighters who have quick feet and quick hands. And there was never any controversy to his losses, he got beat because he had no answer to their slick moves. In fact, Duran quit. How can you compare PAC with Duran when he has never quit in any of his fights while Duran quit in frustration whenver his opponents won't face him toe to toe? PAC has found answers to difficult questions. Life long questions of how pure sluggers will be able to beat slick boxers. Throughout history, slick boxers have always been able to dominate sluggers (although sometimes, they achieved it with controversies) thus the saying that "styles make fights". PAC has improved and was able to demolish his enemies in ways Duran was never able to accomplish.

    End of part 1

    Good post. right on the money!

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      #62
      Originally posted by JoartCC
      To be honest, Duran is the least great of the four greats in his time. He's not the best flyweight also because he had numerous losses which were really bad losses. Losses to Hagler, Hearns, Sugar Ray.

      On the other hand, PAC's era is also quite similar to the era of Sugar Ray and company.

      Comparing PAC with a poor man's Duran is quite frankly, quite dumb and has really little or no basis to it.

      PAC is dominating in a fashion that Duran never did, PAC has not only defeated Mexican all-time greats but also pummels them so bad, that it leaves no doubt as to who the winner is. Duran on the other hand, got beat by all his nemesis.

      PAC like Duran posseses KO power, both are sluggers, small in size but makes up for it with a granite chin (although Duran was KO'd by Hearns), and both have similar styles. But that is where Duran's comparison with PAC ends.

      PAC has improved and continues to peak where Duran was never able to accomplish. Duran got humiliated from slick boxers like Leonard, he was never able to answer the puzzles of fighters who have quick feet and quick hands. And there was never any controversy to his losses, he got beat because he had no answer to their slick moves. In fact, Duran quit. How can you compare PAC with Duran when he has never quit in any of his fights while Duran quit in frustration whenver his opponents won't face him toe to toe? PAC has found answers to difficult questions. Life long questions of how pure sluggers will be able to beat slick boxers. Throughout history, slick boxers have always been able to dominate sluggers (although sometimes, they achieved it with controversies) thus the saying that "styles make fights". PAC has improved and was able to demolish his enemies in ways Duran was never able to accomplish.

      End of part 1
      Goo job homie. You OWNED them LOZRS!

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        #63
        Originally posted by Manny_P
        Goo job homie. You OWNED them LOZRS!
        It is only the first part of my post. I'm still waiting for those guys who called "The Destroyer" a poor man's Duran. I'm still saving the killer arguments for last.

        I would first like to hear from the naysayers.

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          #64
          i agree joart

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            #65
            Originally posted by JMCbulls
            i agree joart
            Why is JMC bulls banned?

            I have yet to see a naysayer try to contradict my initial arguments.

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              #66
              Please Pull Out Your Dictionaries!!!

              Just by reading the posts on this thread, it's very clear to me
              that the majority of forum members hardly or have had no formal education whatsoever.

              Do you guys know the difference in meaning between the words

              COMPARE & ANALOGY?

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                #67
                Durans greatest hits:
                Hector Camacho L, L
                William Joppy L
                Iran Barkley W
                Sugar Ray Leonard L, L, W
                Marvin Hagler L
                Thomas Hearns L
                Pipino Cuevas W
                Wilfred Benitez L
                Carlos Palomino W
                Esteban Dejesus L,W,W
                Ken Buchanan W

                Pacman's:
                Erik Morales L,W
                Barrera W
                Juan Manuel Marquez D

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by IwatchBoxing
                  Durans greatest hits:



                  Sugar Ray Leonard L, L, W
                  Marvin Hagler L
                  Thomas Hearns L

                  Wilfred Benitez L




                  Pacman's:
                  Erik Morales L,W
                  Barrera W
                  Juan Manuel Marquez D
                  That's more like it, I can't believe you even put Joppy up there and the other time he met Camacho.

                  Fine put Joppy up there, and I'll put Sasakul from Thailand who's 10x's the fighter Joppy ever was.

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by srl#1fan
                    That's more like it, I can't believe you even put Joppy up there and the other time he met Camacho.

                    Fine put Joppy up there, and I'll put Sasakul from Thailand who's 10x's the fighter Joppy ever was.
                    Even if you take out Joppy, and Camacho. Its a much better record. Just telling it like it is man. No offense. Your talking about 16 signature fights against four. Time well tell tho, he needs afew more good wins. 13, - the Joppy/Camacho fights (who are good names).

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by IwatchBoxing
                      Even if you take out Joppy, and Camacho. Its a much better record. Just telling it like it is man. No offense. Your talking about 16 signature fights against four. Time well tell tho, he needs afew more good wins. 13, - the Joppy/Camacho fights (who are good names).
                      "IwatchBoxing" have you read 1st post on this thread, what I've done is just taken the 3 highest profile fights of PAC and Duran. I don't think you'll get any arguments from anybody that the Palomino's, Camacho's, Barkley's, DeJesus, etc. are on par with the BIG THREE in "MARVELOUS" MARVIN HAGLER, "SUGAR" RAY LEONARD, & THOMAS "HITMAN" HEARNS Plus the point of this thread WAS NOT TO COMPARE PAC & DURAN, THERE SIMPLY ISN'T ANY! HOWEVER THERE ARE CHARACTERISICS AND SIMILARITIES THAT THESE TWO FIGHTERS HAVE!

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