I have to disagree, it sure aint Golovkin who is gonna beat Mayweather

[The Big Dunn]

Smaller? Last time I checked, that's an advantage for GGG, and the reason why Floyd Sr. said FLoyd should stay away from him and Sergio.

Far quicker? Floyd would be fighting at MW. He can come in at 150, and give up 15-20 lbs. to GGG all he wants, but that's suicide. Also, if he comes in heavier, that's might even be worse for him.

Long pressure, compared to a Cotto, Ortiz, Castillo, definitely. He works behind a long, snapping jab, and places his shots. Like I said before. When he does get Floyd to the ropes, he's not getting check hooked into the turnbuckles, and that pressures going to be there from the beginning. You guys just don't get how lopsided this fight really is.

Well, obviously, we already know where your coming from. The Floyd brigade, so I'm pointing out how unfair this fight is for Floyd. It's the exact style that causes him problems, but at MW for God's sake.

"Canelo should've applied pressure, and went balls out from the beginning! Why did he box with Floyd!?"

Guess what, GGG does do that from the beginning, and he's the master at doing that, while being a full fledged MW. I don't know how many times I have to say this.

And yes, when I'm breaking this fight down, I am looking at both fighters strengths and weaknesses. This is Floyd we're talking about. We all should know his strengths and weaknesses by now. It's the job as the person replying to make their case, and proved reasons why a certain fighter will win.

That's just common sense.

Rather than answer the more difficult questions you say I'm from the floyd brigade, which leads me to believe you either can't answer them coherently or, despite your post, haven't looked at the fight from any angle other than GGG's strengths.

fighters who are slower and have a shorter reach than floyd do not fair particularly well, whether they are heavier or not. our posts assume GGG will not tire from chasing and missing. You assume he will constantly land. You also assume he will trap floyd in the corner. Your posts assume GGG will be successful no matter what he does. So there really is no need to discuss further.


Again, I think GGG has a great chance to win. I just wish your analysis was more complete.

[BUNGALOWS]

Rather than answer the more difficult questions you say I'm from the floyd brigade, which leads me to believe you either can't answer them coherently or, despite your post, haven't looked at the fight from any angle other than GGG's strengths.

fighters who are slower and have a shorter reach than floyd do not fair particularly well, whether they are heavier or not. our posts assume GGG will not tire from chasing and missing. You assume he will constantly land. You also assume he will trap floyd in the corner. Your posts assume GGG will be successful no matter what he does. So there really is no need to discuss further.


Again, I think GGG has a great chance to win. I just wish your analysis was more complete.

If you read my post, I answered your predictable question.

I said we know Floyd's strengths and weaknesses. That's not even a question.

As a poster, you shouldn't be so sensitive, and realize that I'm laying out my case, as to why GGG wins. The onus is on you to refute that.

Regardless of the reach, GGG fights long, and uses long pressure. Floyd's already worried about the power, but that jabs gonna give him problems.

I don't know why you're being so sensitive. We're just debating a fight between GGG and Floyd?

LOL.

[BUNGALOWS]

Come on big dawg. This is a healthy debate. No need to get sensitive on me.

Not alot of floyd's opponents swing like ******s. Yet, their punch output drops and they miss more of their punches. I agree about GGG's jab, but you haven't answered how he overcomes a 2 inch reach disadvantage against the best boxer he will ever face.

GGG doesn't use the jab to box with you (yes, I know, he's boxing, but you know what I mean). He uses that jab to pressure you, and give you something to think about as he's pressuring you.

My guess is a fight bewteen the 2 will be contested in the largest ring possible. Has ggg fought alot in 20 x 20 rings? Has he ever had to chase down a fighter with floyd's stamina and movement? SInce you don't know the answers it seems short sighted to just assume GGG will have the same success you are used to seeing him have. I think reasonable people would agree.

Has Floyd faced a MW that's mastered the art of cutting a ring off, and with his power, patience, accuracy, shot placement, variety of punches, and absolutely no way of getting hurt at MW? Floyd poses absolutely no deterrent to him coming forward on him all night, and every second of the fight. I don't care how great your stamina is. It takes 1 GGG body shot to end the fight or to have you in survival mode, all night.

Floyd has made virtually every fighter he's faced fight "his" fight. WHy would GGG, with less speed and a smaller reach, change this? Again, you can't just assume he lands all his body shots like he has against larger, less mobile, less skilled, fighters.

Again, Floyd hasn't faced a MW, pressure fighter, with GGG's power, and ring cutting abilities.

If you'd actually not think about Floyd, 24/7, you'd see the light, and see how bad of a match this is for Floyd.

[The Big Dunn]

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GGG doesn't use the jab to box with you (yes, I know, he's boxing, but you know what I mean). He uses that jab to pressure you, and give you something to think about as he's pressuring you.



Has Floyd faced a MW that's mastered the art of cutting a ring off, and with his power, patience, accuracy, shot placement, variety of punches, and absolutely no way of getting hurt at MW? Floyd poses absolutely no deterrent to him coming forward on him all night, and every second of the fight. I don't care how great your stamina is. It takes 1 GGG body shot to end the fight or to have you in survival mode, all night.



Again, Floyd hasn't faced a MW, pressure fighter, with GGG's power, and ring cutting abilities.

If you'd actually not think about Floyd, 24/7, you'd see the light, and see how bad of a match this is for Floyd.

I don't know that GGG has mastered that art because I have not seen him face elusive fighters. I have no doubt he possesses these skills, but you assume nothing changes should he fight a faster fighter who can move.

ALl floyd can do is pop him in the eye with his jab. WHile we agree floyd doesn't have the power to hurt GGG, continued shots at the eye will more than likely provide enough space for floyd to move.

Your only responses seem to be to label me as a floyd fan. So be it. There really is nothing more to discuss. Much like Danny G vs Matthysse, you analyze only what supports your theory.

[Holywarrior]

I don't know that GGG has mastered that art because I have not seen him face elusive fighters. I have no doubt he possesses these skills, but you assume nothing changes should he fight a faster fighter who can move.

ALl floyd can do is pop him in the eye with his jab. WHile we agree floyd doesn't have the power to hurt GGG, continued shots at the eye will more than likely provide enough space for floyd to move.

Your only responses seem to be to label me as a floyd fan. So be it. There really is nothing more to discuss. Much like Danny G vs Matthysse, you analyze only what supports your theory.

Mayweather's jab would get there before GGG's jab and it would give Floyd space and opportunities to punch and get out. I reckon it will look a lot like the Castillo rematch with Floyd fighting off the backfoot basically the whole fight and boxing.

Golovkin's "mastery" of cutting the ring off is getting a little overrated here IMO as the best fighter he fought was Matthew Macklin His jab is also good but he does waste them sometimes. Floyd could counter over that easily.

[BUNGALOWS]

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I don't know that GGG has mastered that art because I have not seen him face elusive fighters. I have no doubt he possesses these skills, but you assume nothing changes should he fight a faster fighter who can move.

That's the thing. Running around the ring, against someone that's mastered the art of cutting the ring off will only put you at more of a disadvatange. Not only with the judges, but also your stamina. Floyd's faced a lot of guys that can chase him, but not really cut the ring off on him. Cotto did it, but c'mon, Cotto's well past prime, and he always fades late. Ortiz did it, but he smothered his own attack against Floyd. Again, the kid's a novice, and GGG is far more effective than either guys at not only cutting the ring off, but also applying a longer pressure than either guys, and the power differential, and shot placement isn't even a question.

ALl floyd can do is pop him in the eye with his jab. WHile we agree floyd doesn't have the power to hurt GGG, continued shots at the eye will more than likely provide enough space for floyd to move.

OK, but but but, what about what GGG can do!? Only kidding. I was giving you an example of what you were doing earlier. It's only a debate. Just debate, and don't get sensitive on me.

Yes, if you're relying on Floyd to target the eye, um, I guess that's a good strategy. LOL, what the hell.

Your only responses seem to be to label me as a floyd fan. So be it. There really is nothing more to discuss. Much like Danny G vs Matthysse, you analyze only what supports your theory.

You're the one that insinuated I was only looking at it from GGG's perspective. I already explained to you, my stance on the situation. No need to get sensitive.

Much like the Garcia/Matthysse fight, I called that a 50/50, and even said in a thread, that "at the end of the day, I know it's a 50/50 fight, with the edge to Matthysse, but Matthysse's my guy, so I'm going to troll Danny fans."

And if memory serves correct. Who was the one that was one of the 1st people on Danny's bandwagon? I seem to remember defending the hell out of him in the Danny/Rios threads, and saying how the Holt and Campbell wins were very good wins, and that he proved he was upper echelon with those wins.

And yes, I was saying how Danny was the real deal, before it was the "in" thing to do.

But no, I'm labeled the Danny hater.

[SplitSecond]

Not alot of floyd's opponents swing like ******s. Yet, their punch output drops and they miss more of their punches. I agree about GGG's jab, but you haven't answered how he overcomes a 2 inch reach disadvantage against the best boxer he will ever face.

My guess is a fight bewteen the 2 will be contested in the largest ring possible. Has ggg fought alot in 20 x 20 rings? Has he ever had to chase down a fighter with floyd's stamina and movement? SInce you don't know the answers it seems short sighted to just assume GGG will have the same success you are used to seeing him have. I think reasonable people would agree.

Floyd has made virtually every fighter he's faced fight "his" fight. WHy would GGG, with less speed and a smaller reach, change this? Again, you can't just assume he lands all his body shots like he has against larger, less mobile, less skilled, fighters.

cotto's reach is 67" and he didn't have much problem out jabbing floyd
golovkins jab > cotto's jab
cotto is a strong single punch, golovkins is a strong swarm of punches and he doesn't really stop pumping it unless you move out or fight him off

floyds stamina is impressive for his age, but i've noticed him take rounds off, if he runs it will make it even worse when he is resting and ggg is connecting

look at how hoya cornered floyd with his jab and had all those oppurtunities to combo on floyd while he was caught on the ropes and the right hook to the body was there all night for him
a couple of mixed in right hands, or some feints, floyd will turn away from the right, pressured by that jab, and get clubbed over the head by a right from golovkin

and the "floyd has made every fighter fight his fight" seems like bull
cotto wanted to pressure and did so
ortiz wanted to pressure and did so
hatton, castillo(atleast in the first), hoya
alvarez and marquez wanted to counter and floyd did lead alot in these fights, floyd was simply too fast, too intelligent
guerrero wanted to counter too, but floyd and co. thought he was coming to make it a brawl like vs berto, although floyd did nullify guerrero's strategy(like in castillo II) in teh championship rd's

edit: oh and incase you think im just bullshtting about guerrero and canelo's strategy going in, listen to their corners, guerrero's telling him to wait and counter floyd with an uppercut, alvarez in the entire lead up to the fight just going on about how he can box with mayweather

even though watching the first rounds should make this clear

[BUNGALOWS]

At the end of the day, we know Floyd's not getting in the ring with GGG.

And we know why. Don't play dumb.

Floyd Sr. even warned Floyd to stay away from GGG and Sergio. That's all that needs to be said.

[Godsfly]

Please stop lying. I've never had a discussion with you, breaking down a fight, ever.

You don't bring any analytical thought to fights. You just troll.

The fact that you think Floyd beats GGG is all I need to know.

dude you're one of the most immature guys on here............i don't know if you're a little kid or what.

now you are denying that you wasn't in my thread attacking me for my break down on lucas mytthesse & the style clashes between him and garcia? (when all i have to do is POST the comments and the thread whooohahaha)

you were in the thread agreeing with everyone who disagreed with me (even if it didn't make sense) & throwing personal attacks.

heres some quotes from u.

"LOL. I know right. These fools trying so damn hard to discredit Lucas. If they give him a compliment. It's a backhanded type compliment.

"He's a beast, but he got no skills." SMDH."

another

"He's a hatin ass troll. Don't give him the time of day."

(page 10 & 11)

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now you've resorted to flat out lying huh..........

seek help.............
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[The Big Dunn]

cotto's reach is 67" and he didn't have much problem out jabbing floyd
golovkins jab > cotto's jab
cotto is a strong single punch, golovkins is a strong swarm of punches and he doesn't really stop pumping it unless you move out or fight him off

floyds stamina is impressive for his age, but i've noticed him take rounds off, if he runs it will make it even worse when he is resting and ggg is connecting

look at how hoya cornered floyd with his jab and had all those oppurtunities to combo on floyd while he was caught on the ropes and the right hook to the body was there all night for him
a couple of mixed in right hands, or some feints, floyd will turn away from the right, pressured by that jab, and get clubbed over the head by a right from golovkin

and the "floyd has made every fighter fight his fight" seems like bull
cotto wanted to pressure and did so
ortiz wanted to pressure and did so
hatton, castillo(atleast in the first), hoya
alvarez and marquez wanted to counter and floyd did lead alot in these fights, floyd was simply too fast, too intelligent
guerrero wanted to counter too, but floyd and co. thought he was coming to make it a brawl like vs berto

Are you sure cotto outjabbed floyd? I believe floyd threw and landed more jabs but they may have had the same connect %.

ODH some chances in some rounds but lets not over exaggerate what he did. ODH, who has a longer reach than GGG, stopped jabbing because he was getting countered. Not enough to knock him down, but enough to make him protect himself and not punch. Something to consider.

All the guys you listed lost big. You seem to be inflating what they did to a degree. Yes they had a couple of rounds (except vic) where they had some success, but that hardly equates to a whole fight.

In the end, all of them had a lower output than previous opponents and a lower connect %, which is why I said floyd gets them to fight "his fight".