Comments Thread For: Froch Feels Only Lennox Lewis, Not Calzaghe, Tops Legacy

[handsome1-1]

Hahaha Froch u make me laugh hahaha Calzaghe was better than u TWICE, No way u r at bisklevel. U r throwback fighter and the Kessler u beat ain't the same Kessler Calzaghe beat. No way u have beaten the heart of the best hahaha it's funny how Ward can make u look like a complete BUM AND A NOBODY ...

[SAJ10]

The thing about Froch is he can make these throwaway comments and Froch fans will agree and anti Calzaghe fans too.

But in the cold light of day what Froch has to remember is that when you retire that's when people will seriously analyse your legacy and simply, it doesn't stack up to Calzaghe's.

For me Hopkins legacy surpasses Calzaghe's for sure and Ward at SMW is there or thereabouts if not already passed I'd say he's close. However, for Froch you simply just can not make a case.

Like I said Joe has 2 weights - SMW and LHW no:1 and Ring belt in both weights

Froch - one weight only and no:2

Joe has Hops at LHW, there isn't a win on Froch's record as good as that.

There also isn't a win on Froch's record as good a prime, undefeated Kessler, plus he has a loss to Kessler as well as a one-sided embarressing defeat to Ward.

Losses detract from your legacy the same way wins enhance them. Otherwise what is the point of a loss?

There many other reasons that his legacy doesn't match, let alone surpass Calzaghe's but, like i said, there is time to do that.

However, if he doesn't get a win like Hopkins a truely great fighter - showing he can do something north of 168 (catchweight is ok) obviously not as good as if he actually went to LHW (or a Dawson at LHW) and rematch Ward at some point to get that no:1 spot at SMW, then he has zero chance when people will really go into depth to compare the two legacy's.

The reality is and its always a good measuring stick to use is - in the day's of just one belt Joe would have been a two weight champ as he was undisputed no:1 of the SMW division, before moving up to beat Hopkins at LHW for the Ring.

Froch wouldn't have even been a World Champion as he's never been no:1. Froch needs to realise that he can make these kind of comments all he likes, this is the way people will look at it - without at Ward win and Hopkins at a catchweight or Dawson at LHW, then the boxing pundits and analysts will tear shread's through his legacy claims.

I'm not talking about muppets that don't have a clue like Jeff Powell of the mail, everybody knows he doesn't know wtf he's talking about.

The serious historians and writers will analyse and Froch just can't match up without avenging the Ward defeat at the v minimum.

[Gojira]

Froch is an arrogant **** because he rates himself but it's okay for posters on here who have never even stepped into the ring as an amateur to do the same?

[LacedUp]

I have no problem with what he's saying at all.

In terms of achievements and resume, i could definitely argue a case for him being top 10 British fighters of all times. I have him ahead of both Benn and Eubank. The thing that ranks him lower than other modern guys such as Naz, Hatton, Lennox, Calzaghe and to a certain extent Haye is that Froch has never been the #1 in his division. If he beats Ward in a rematch, then I'll rank again, but at the moment he's probably floating somewhere around bottom top 10 or maybe 11-12.

In terms of talent, he's not even in top 30 IMO.

[LacedUp]

It was a fight Froch won from the 6th round onwards. Taylor was good for nothing in the second half of the fight.

If Taylor had remained standing the worst Froch would have deserved was a draw but he didn't let it come to that.

It was a bloody good KO win in his opponent's backyard imo.

Not true. He came back strong in the 8th and 9th if I remember correctly and won those rounds. He was pretty clearly ahead as far as memory goes.

[IronDanHamza]

Not true. He came back strong in the 8th and 9th if I remember correctly and won those rounds. He was pretty clearly ahead as far as memory goes.

Froch was winning the whole of the 8th but then Taylor landed the best punches of the round at the end.

9th was a close round too but Froch was starting to control.

The difference was Taylor clearly was in control for the first 5 rounds. 2 was a close round though.

A lot of the second half of the fight were close rounds.

But all this is irrelevant because Froch stopped him.

[TX_BOXNG]

I agree with Froch, Calzaghe didnt do much but exposed easy Jeff Lacy n a good win vs prime Kessler

[Ravens Fan]

So you Admit, it would have been a split decision, in America, Jermaine taylors backyard, with the two favouring 113-112. That Smells like Robbery to me, or is that the logic the idiot people use when froch schooled dirrell. (split decision in England)

Or is it the same Analogy people use when they claim Lennox beat Vitali, he was down on all 3 cards, but they claim he deserved the victory.

ibet you are one of the lennox/dirrell analogy claimers, but that logic is conveniently thrown out the window.

Anyway its irrelevant as froch landed 39 power shots to taylors head in one of the biggest beat downs in 12th round history. His head was rocking back and forth like a rocking horse.

And you mke out 20 seconds not a along time, tell you what let one of your best mates hit you for 20 seconds, or even better replace it with someone like froch and tell me how long you last. Thhose 20 seconds would have been the end of taylors brain case had the ref not correctly stepped in.

There really is some terrible posts tonight.

You jumped around a little and let me try to figure it out. There was no doubt that Froch was coming on in the last few rounds. But I still had Taylor easily winning the fight going into the 12th round.

It has been a while but I believe going into the 12th I had it scored for Taylor 8 rounds to 3. So, I personally don't think if Taylor lasted to the end that it was a split decision. I think Taylor would have won and he would have deserved the win.

However, that is not what happened and Froch knocked him out and deserved the win. But, if you want to talk robbery look no further then Dirrell-Froch. Now that was a robbery. And just to make it clear I cannot stand Dirrell. But, there isn't anything wrong with my eyesight and in my opinion he made Froch look amateurish. And if you want to know why? It is because Froch's boxing skills really aren't that great. And in my opinion two pretty decent boxers have proved that.

As far as the 20 seconds and talking about the end of the Froch-Taylor I am not sure what that has to do with me. Simply because I believe that it was a legit stoppage and I have never said otherwise. So maybe that was a conversation you were having with someone else.

As far as the Lewis-Vitali fight I am a huge Klit brother fan. With that said. Regardless if Vitali won all six rounds he was busted up and half his face was hanging off and therefore it was a legit stoppage. Once again I have never said otherwise.

[Ravens Fan]

I have no problem with what he's saying at all.

In terms of achievements and resume, i could definitely argue a case for him being top 10 British fighters of all times. I have him ahead of both Benn and Eubank. The thing that ranks him lower than other modern guys such as Naz, Hatton, Lennox, Calzaghe and to a certain extent Haye is that Froch has never been the #1 in his division. If he beats Ward in a rematch, then I'll rank again, but at the moment he's probably floating somewhere around bottom top 10 or maybe 11-12.

In terms of talent, he's not even in top 30 IMO.

As much as I disagree with you sometimes this is a great post.

[Ravens Fan]

The thing about Froch is he can make these throwaway comments and Froch fans will agree and anti Calzaghe fans too.

But in the cold light of day what Froch has to remember is that when you retire that's when people will seriously analyse your legacy and simply, it doesn't stack up to Calzaghe's.

For me Hopkins legacy surpasses Calzaghe's for sure and Ward at SMW is there or thereabouts if not already passed I'd say he's close. However, for Froch you simply just can not make a case.

Like I said Joe has 2 weights - SMW and LHW no:1 and Ring belt in both weights

Froch - one weight only and no:2

Joe has Hops at LHW, there isn't a win on Froch's record as good as that.

There also isn't a win on Froch's record as good a prime, undefeated Kessler, plus he has a loss to Kessler as well as a one-sided embarressing defeat to Ward.

Losses detract from your legacy the same way wins enhance them. Otherwise what is the point of a loss?

There many other reasons that his legacy doesn't match, let alone surpass Calzaghe's but, like i said, there is time to do that.

However, if he doesn't get a win like Hopkins a truely great fighter - showing he can do something north of 168 (catchweight is ok) obviously not as good as if he actually went to LHW (or a Dawson at LHW) and rematch Ward at some point to get that no:1 spot at SMW, then he has zero chance when people will really go into depth to compare the two legacy's.

The reality is and its always a good measuring stick to use is - in the day's of just one belt Joe would have been a two weight champ as he was undisputed no:1 of the SMW division, before moving up to beat Hopkins at LHW for the Ring.

Froch wouldn't have even been a World Champion as he's never been no:1. Froch needs to realise that he can make these kind of comments all he likes, this is the way people will look at it - without at Ward win and Hopkins at a catchweight or Dawson at LHW, then the boxing pundits and analysts will tear shread's through his legacy claims.

I'm not talking about muppets that don't have a clue like Jeff Powell of the mail, everybody knows he doesn't know wtf he's talking about.

The serious historians and writers will analyse and Froch just can't match up without avenging the Ward defeat at the v minimum.

You mentioned a lot of good things. However, one thing that you did not mention about Calzaghe was the fact he was on Ring ****zines top P4P list for at least a couple of years. If I remember correctly I believe he was as high as number three when he retired.