How did pacquiao "drain" cotto????????????????

[Zano-24]

Fact,

Cotto said himself numerous times on 24/7 that the weight wasn't an issue at all.

DLH said the same thing and we know that wasn't true at all. You can't come down from 154(DLH was a big 154) and honestly say he felt fine at that weight. We know he was telling a lie.

[edgarg]

It's been said a hundred times. When you're already down to the bone, and may have already been struggling to make weight, 1 pound CAN hinder you.

Honestly, I wouldn't know first hand, but seems logical to me that if there's no water weight to drop, and no fat to burn, then you might as well chop off a limb cause there is nothing else to remove besides muscle and bone.

Just my 2 cents, I dunno.

I wouldn't think that Cotto was "drained to the bone" at 145. For about 2/3rds of his career he was a 140 lber and for all of the rest except the previous couple of fights he was 147. And, as someone has said, he was 146 in just his prevous fight. Besides all this, Cotto himself said after the fight, that the weight didn't bother him.

And he should be able to lose about 7 lbs of pure water safely, since a fit fighter's body is about 60% water.

[edgarg]

DLH said the same thing and we know that wasn't true at all. You can't come down from 154(DLH was a big 154) and honestly say he felt fine at that weight. We know he was telling a lie.

Oscar was walking around at about 162-3 at that time. He just thought that with little MannyP it was easy pickings. during his fight camp he said it was so easy for him to get down to 147 that he was seriously considering continuing on down in weight and later fighting at 140...

When Oscar was left on his own to make his own decisions, he always made a mess of it. As another promoter has said, "Oscar isn't very smart, you know".....

[Canelo Phresh]

If you have ever boxed or wrestled tha you know making weightis hard to do. If you havent than you dont know ***** about the subject.Now that said the official weight for weight is 147 so when you demand a fighter drains lower than that thats a catch weight.AKA weight draining.

[Buckfever]

Cotto was struggling to make 147. When you're weight drained another 2 lbs right before the fight has lingering effects on strength for days. Now with Cotto fighting at 154 and having gotten comfortable there and having filled out, it would be the same thing for him to have to come off another 4 lbs.

Most of us can't understand this if we haven't been there. Most of us need to lose so much weight that we can't relate to how losing a a few extra lbs would hurt anything.

[Puya]

Yeah, why did Cotto request a 150 CW for Margarito, and ended up with a 153lb CW with a 160 cap rehydration clause? Why didn't Cotto fight Margarito at 154?

153 is not a real weight class, shame on Cotto.

Margie doesn't deserved any fair deal

[i_am_a_champ]

It's been said a hundred times. When you're already down to the bone, and may have already been struggling to make weight, 1 pound CAN hinder you.

Honestly, I wouldn't know first hand, but seems logical to me that if there's no water weight to drop, and no fat to burn, then you might as well chop off a limb cause there is nothing else to remove besides muscle and bone.

Just my 2 cents, I dunno.

QFT


They just wont understand this.

1lb, 2lb, etc.

Its not fat they are stripping off cos most boxers have very little.

When as much water is out of the system what then?

How will the fighter feel the next day?

Every trainer, ( Roach included ) knows this. Did u see Cotto at the weigh ins? it looked like his stomach had fallen into him.

[edgarg]

well he also said " the weight isnt a problem at all 100 times on 24/7
30 MINS A DY ON A TREDMILL WOULD NOT EFFECT A WORLD CLASS ATHLETE WHAT SO EVER !

WTF GOES ON IN PEOPLES MINDS?

and who cares what he said ??? the weights i posted are facts

You're wasting your time, dealing with these dedicated fans is like trying to bounce a rubber ball off a hanging carpet. Or trying to punch your way out of a cardboard box. Useless to bother. they have weasel minds.

[edgarg]

You clearly don't know much about this weight stuff.

When you're at you lowest weight, losing one extra pound is incredible hard because in order to weight less you have to lose some muscle mass and not just fat. Burning muscle mass is incredibly hard to do and it's something that clearly debilitates the body since it's a process done automatically when you're in a state of starvation.

So in this case if Cotto lowest weight was 147 (example) and he had to go down to 145, he had to weight drain himself by a lot of dehydration but also by burning muscle mass during training by doing even more cardio, lowering his caloric intake (also debilitating him) or both of them.

Pacquiao on the other hand actually fought ODLH at 145 pounds, and Hatton at 140, but for Pacquiao it was a lot easier to get up to 145 again because of several reasons.
First, muscle memory. Once your body has made a certain weight it's easier to get back to that weight again because of muscle memory.
Second, water weight. Pacquiao didn't have to win a lot of muscle mass (which is still easier than burning muscle mass) but just didn't have to dehydrate as much. So if he was dehydrating to around 5-6% of his body weight to make 140, then he only dehydrated 2-3% to make 145, which is a lot easier than dehydrating 6-7% (like Cotto maybe did) and losing mass.

Now I'm not defending Cotto (I don't like him) but I'm just telling you that this isn't as easy as most people think it is. It's not just about losing one pound or winning 7, it's about what's behind that.

I don't believe there is such a thing as muscle memory. It's a facile explanation and sounds scientific. Muscles don't have brains. it's brain memory which remembers what has to be done to get back to a certain muscular stage. it's easier after the first time because the first time had to be learned.

Talk sense.

[ralph22]

after it cotto went to 154 and look amazing wich means he was having a hard time making weight