Mayweather, Underrated?

[Mike Tyson77]

Pac is the only guy I think that has a good chance of beating him. Floyd is a very skilled fighter. The Hatton fight was my favorite of Floyds fights, I really enjoyed that one.

[FeFist]

Yes i remember Hernandez mostly for quitting against DLH. Castillo i remember as the man who lost to Hatton and beat Floyd in the first fight.

I find posts like this disrespectful. This is the problem with hatred it spreads to fighters who deserve the utmost respect for their contribution to the sport. There is no need for you to belittle the commitment made by Castillo or Hernandez.

[StarshipTrooper]

If the "Motor City Cobra" caught Floyd the way Mosley did in the second round of their fight, I have no doubt Mayweather's head would've rocketed off his shoulders.

And landed in the cheap seats.....

[FeFist]

I doubt that any of the Fab 4 would have beaten Floyd in a round robin.

Duran was great but lost nearly every time he stepped up to the best of his day and even then sometimes against those who weren't the best of his day. The Laing fight comes to mind. Also too many unavenged losses.

Tommy Hearns was a dynamite puncher but had trouble landing dynamite against the best of the best. His defeat by the limited Hagler exposed Hearns' own limitations. As I said in a different post, being great in ONE ASPECT doesn't make you great ALL AROUND. Another one with unavenged losses.

Hagler was the MW version of Joe Frazier. I don't see Floyd having ANY problems with Hagler after watching what Willie Monroe did to him. Hell, even Ray Leonard was able to steal rounds after he was finished as a top fighter. You've got to be kidding.

Ray Leonard, as I've said before, is probably thee most talented of the four. Still, there is nothing that Ray could do that Mayweather doesn't aside from shoe-shining. Ray wasted a lot of punches and Floyd jr is 100 times the counter puncher that his father was. Floyd jr is more accurate that Ray was and he is in much better shape. Down the stretch conditioning would IMO have played a huge role. I have seen Ray Leonard tired. No one has EVER seen Floyd Mayweather tired.

None of these guys has moved up as much as Floyd has and remained undefeated doing it against #1 & 2 competition.

In your minds, competition from other eras was stiffer and better. Truth is though, in EVERY sport the medicine, training methods and technology gets better and more advanced. Therefore so do the athletes.

Only those who hold nostalgia as the scale to be weighed on say such foolish things like "old fighters would kill today's fighters".

Get real. I hold the golden era's fighters in high reverence as well, but I don't delude myself into believing that they are better than the methods that they were trained under. What they did and how they trained may have seemed more gritty and therefore more "badasss", but its hardly the way to gauge the gap between today's fighters and yesterday's stars.

Roy Jones, Floyd Mayweather, Kostya Tszyu and Ricardo Lopez would have taken the Fabulous Four a lot easier than some of your are willing to admit.

That's another post though.

I think Floyd would beat Duran and I feel a fight with Sugar Ray Leonard would be competitive. Hearns is all kinds of ugly for Floyd and Hagler would steam roll him.

[CubanGuyNYC]

And landed in the cheap seats.....

If you call "landing" hitting the back of an empty seat and exploding into countless fragments, yes....

[StarshipTrooper]

If you call "landing" hitting the back of an empty seat and exploding into countless fragments, yes....

Something like this.....

[talip bin osman]

the guy is a sure HOF & a certified boxoffice attraction...

i dont think he is being underrated...

[damit305]

I stated that there were other examples of fighters that could beat Floyd, but I limited my choices to just a couple of ATGs I'm very familiar with. I did this for the sake of brevity and to stick to the topic at hand: whether Floyd is overrated or not. I qualified my comments by specifying that Duran beats Mayweather at "135". Roberto is generally considered to be the greatest lightweight of all time. He lost one fight at that weight and avenged it. "Manos de Piedra" won several fights at 147, including a classic against Ray Leonard, before losing only his second fight against the very same ATG. Roberto was 71-1 at the outset of the second match.

Leonard was at least as fast as Floyd, comparably skilled and probably hit harder. Beyond that, Ray is a winner. There are men in all walks of life that always seem to find a way to overcome and win. "Sugar" is one of them. We can argue all day long as to who is/was better, but there's something you will never be able to say: "Floyd Mayweather has a better resume than 'Sugar' Ray Leonard." I agree, Floyd will never have the chances at glory that Ray did, but the fact remains....

I didn't mention Hearns and I won't get into that comparison for the reasons already cited. Hagler was a career middleweight. Enough said.

Where do you get the notion that I believe "competition from other eras was stiffer and better" and that "old fighters would kill today's fighters"? I never made such assertions, nor even implied them. I merely chose two ATGs from an acknowledged, great fighting era. You yourself used the term "Fab Four," and admit that you hold the old-timers in "high reverence." Should I consider your apparent preference for the younger champions as prejudicial? Do you consider Floyd Mayweather the GOAT, or the greatest welterweight of all time?

Objectivity at its finest... "La calidad es calidad"

[StarshipTrooper]

Objectivity at it's finest... "La calidad es calidad"

BTW, I once pointed out that the guy in your avatar would given Floyd fits and the nuthuggers went ape**** :cool9:

Poet

[damit305]

BTW, I once pointed out that the guy in your avatar would given Floyd fits and the nuthuggers went ape**** :cool9:

Poet

Man, I must of missed it. Gavilan probably would've gave Floyd a run for his 'Money', I dunno man. Matching up past and present boxers has never been my forte.