Mayweather, Underrated?

[StarshipTrooper]

Man, I must of missed it. Gavilan probably would've gave Floyd a run for his 'Money', I dunno man. Matching up past and present boxers has never been my forte.

It was couple of years ago in the Fantasy Fights section. Gavilan was great fighter who seems to always get left out of the Welter discussions.

Poet

[CubanGuyNYC]

Objectivity at its finest... "La calidad es calidad"

Thanks, dude. And I appreciate the reference to "El Chacal." lol

[CubanGuyNYC]

BTW, I once pointed out that the guy in your avatar would given Floyd fits and the nuthuggers went ape**** :cool9:

Poet

Man, I must of missed it. Gavilan probably would've gave Floyd a run for his 'Money', I dunno man. Matching up past and present boxers has never been my forte.

It was couple of years ago in the Fantasy Fights section. Gavilan was great fighter who seems to always get left out of the Welter discussions.

Poet

The "Keed" is often cited as a top-ten all-time welterweight, along with fellow Cuban Jose Napoles. I've seen some footage of him, but my knowledge is generally limited to what I've read. "Gavilan's" reputation rests mostly on his (losing) performances versus the consensus GOAT "Sugar" Ray Robinson and his defeats of several other ATGs. He fought (by today's standards) at an absurd rate, fighting well past his prime and incurring unnecessary losses. As for what I've seen, Gerardo González (the "Kid's" real name) was one tough hombre. For such a colorful guy, "Gavilan" was a real warrior.

Whether a fighter's from the fifties, thirties, eighties or today, if he's considered top-ten, Floyd would have trouble. You're talking about a distillation of the greatest fighters in an old, revered sport. Mayweather is great, but any discussion featuring him and an acknowledged ATG is open for heated debate.

[StarshipTrooper]

The "Keed" is often cited as a top-ten all-time welterweight, along with fellow Cuban Jose Napoles. I've seen some footage of him, but my knowledge is generally limited to what I've read. "Gavilan's" reputation rests mostly on his (losing) performances versus the consensus GOAT "Sugar" Ray Robinson and his defeats of several other ATGs. He fought (by today's standards) at an absurd rate, fighting well past his prime and incurring unnecessary losses. As for what I've seen, Gerardo González (the "Kid's" real name) was one tough hombre. For such a colorful guy, "Gavilan" was a real warrior.

Whether a fighter's from the fifties, thirties, eighties or today, if he's considered top-ten, Floyd would have trouble. You're talking about a distillation of the greatest fighters in an old, revered sport. Mayweather is great, but any discussion featuring him and an acknowledged ATG is open for heated debate.

Not only that, but Welter's the most historically stacked division in boxing history (no disrespect to Middle and Lightweight meant).

Poet

[damit305]

It was couple of years ago in the Fantasy Fights section. Gavilan was great fighter who seems to always get left out of the Welter discussions.

Poet

Gotcha. Kid Gavilan was a beast! Very hard to tell if he could have pulled a W vs PBF.
One thing about fighters in those days is the consistency at which they wanted to keep proving themselves great; regardless of who they were fighting.
It wasn't all about money then.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Not only that, but Welter's the most historically stacked division in boxing history (no disrespect to Middle and Lightweight meant).

Poet

I remember there was a similar thread some time ago, "What is the most historically prestigious weight-class in boxing?" I think I said welterweight, but some guys made good arguments for lightweight and middleweight.

The idea that a modern P4P fighter should automatically get preferential treatment over the ATGs is misguided. The same can be said in reverse. But the old-timers earned their place in history, have had their legacies examined under a microscope (for decades in some cases) and are the universally acknowledged "crème de la crème." We're supposed to overlook that because Floyd looks good to modern eyes and hasn't had the good-fortune (or perhaps he is fortunate) to be tested against worthy opposition? Pardon the colloquialism, but GTFOH....

[keehlnate]

LOL Mayweather is Underrated, but he is the current P4P king? The #1 best fighter in the world?

What kind of brain do you have?

[Tulisanto]

excellnt boxer, questionable fighter...thats how i see floyd jr!

[CubanGuyNYC]

LOL Mayweather is Underrated, but he is the current P4P king? The #1 best fighter in the world?

What kind of brain do you have?

lol Good point. But I think the TS was implying that Floyd ought to get credit on a larger scale, like on a GOAT, Ali, "Sugar" Ray Robinson level.

[damit305]

Thanks, dude. And I appreciate the reference to "El Chacal." lol

Ya tu sabes my man. Real recognize real.