Mayweather, Underrated?

[Mr.0pal]

"Ability - Floyd is elite. he is not the top as Roy Jones was clearly more gifted than Floyd in nearly every category as it pertains to physical attributes."

This is an opinion I disagree with

[turbotime]

Yes i remember Hernandez mostly for quitting against DLH. Castillo i remember as the man who lost to Hatton and beat Floyd in the first fight.

So you don't remember much.

[Rolaz]

No, He isn't under rated, you can see a lot of his fans defending him;
Promoters even offered Multi millions dollars for his fights;

So whats wrong with him?

Its about attitude problem,

He thinks of himself higher, and over above anybody else,

Resulting in so many Court cases; and derailment of the most awaited fight with Pacman.

Whether he wins or loss in his next fight, he goes to Jail...

[New England]

I doubt that any of the Fab 4 would have beaten Floyd in a round robin.

Duran was great but lost nearly every time he stepped up to the best of his day and even then sometimes against those who weren't the best of his day. The Laing fight comes to mind. Also too many unavenged losses.

Tommy Hearns was a dynamite puncher but had trouble landing dynamite against the best of the best. His defeat by the limited Hagler exposed Hearns' own limitations. As I said in a different post, being great in ONE ASPECT doesn't make you great ALL AROUND. Another one with unavenged losses.

Hagler was the MW version of Joe Frazier. I don't see Floyd having ANY problems with Hagler after watching what Willie Monroe did to him. Hell, even Ray Leonard was able to steal rounds after he was finished as a top fighter. You've got to be kidding.

Ray Leonard, as I've said before, is probably thee most talented of the four. Still, there is nothing that Ray could do that Mayweather doesn't aside from shoe-shining. Ray wasted a lot of punches and Floyd jr is 100 times the counter puncher that his father was. Floyd jr is more accurate that Ray was and he is in much better shape. Down the stretch conditioning would IMO have played a huge role. I have seen Ray Leonard tired. No one has EVER seen Floyd Mayweather tired.

None of these guys has moved up as much as Floyd has and remained undefeated doing it against #1 & 2 competition.

In your minds, competition from other eras was stiffer and better. Truth is though, in EVERY sport the medicine, training methods and technology gets better and more advanced. Therefore so do the athletes.

Only those who hold nostalgia as the scale to be weighed on say such foolish things like "old fighters would kill today's fighters".

Get real. I hold the golden era's fighters in high reverence as well, but I don't delude myself into believing that they are better than the methods that they were trained under. What they did and how they trained may have seemed more gritty and therefore more "badasss", but its hardly the way to gauge the gap between today's fighters and yesterday's stars.

Roy Jones, Floyd Mayweather, Kostya Tszyu and Ricardo Lopez would have taken the Fabulous Four a lot easier than some of your are willing to admit.

That's another post though.

yikes

i really dont know where to begin

ricardo lopez?

as in finito lopez?

he was a minimumweight... he's not beating anybody over 108 or 112 lbs.

you think he fits in with the best LW ever come WW to mw, two great WW's turned MW's and beyond, and a career MW? (duran, leonard, hearns, hagler,)

marvin hagler is one of the best middleweights ever and you think floyd mayweather rolls him?
and that he's a MW joe frazier?

you think that leonard does nothing better than floyd "outside of shoe shine,?"

that kostya tszyu would stand a chance against hearns, duran, leonard, hagler (or benetiz for that matter?)


and again... ricardo lopez?
he used to weigh 103 for a title fight in his prime..

am i missing the context of him being brought up?

[Danny Gunz]

For a resume as weak as his, he is overated, he is rated solely on his percieved skills.

We got a taster of whether he would be remembered with his pretend retirement and he wasnt missed and people werent talking about him in terms of being top 20 ATG standard.
He was only missed in the sense people wanted to know when he was going to come out of retirement to fight Pac. Pac filled the void more than adequately when Floyd left with his exciting fight and stellar performances.
Pac was and is the toast of the town

Basically what he said.

He left a little too much to the imagination in his career.

[studentofthegam]

By Casual Fans...YES! All Casual Fans see is a ARROGANT BLACK FIGHTER and they can't look past that and focus on the SKILLS IN THE RING

Just go to any local Golden Glove and Amateur Tournaments around the US...even in the UK and ask those young fighters who is their favorite fighter 98% will mention Mayweather as one of their favorite fighters because they don't focus on the Mayweather on HBO 24/7 talking trash and trying to SALE FIGHTS...they respect and understand the SKILLS IN THE RING!

Casual fans can differentiate the two, they was told Mayweather is the Bad Guy and the Villain so they judge him based on that and not his SKILLS

but you also have some ****** Mayweather fans who GO TOO FAR with the HYPE and want to claim he is the GREATEST EVER and is better then Robinson, Ali, Armstrong...those Claims can also push fans away from Mayweather and make people root against him, just like Pacquaio Fans push a lot of the Hardcore Boxing Fans away from rooting for Pacquiao because those fans go too far

He may be the best to ever do it. We still have a small window for him to stamp it. Best I've seen and I love Ali and SRR. He's just smarter in the ring than they were.

floyd always wins fantasy fights

that itself is a proof that his an overated b!tch

he carefully match his style againts a style that suits him best to keep his 0 and make himself look like superman in the eyes of his gay arse fans

"then they whoa that was a f@cking awesome suckerpunch"

hes a cherripicking b!tch thats all about about him

What style is that because You would be hard pressed to find 3 like fighters that he's faced unlike Manny.

True, also Prior sons him too.

Pryor gets whipped handily. Only SRL has a true chance at beating Floyd out of the fab 4.

[RubenSonny]

True, also Prior sons him too.

Really? What is this based on?

[CubanGuyNYC]

yikes

i really dont know where to begin

ricardo lopez?

as in finito lopez?

he was a minimumweight... he's not beating anybody over 108 or 112 lbs.

you think he fits in with the best LW ever come WW to mw, two great WW's turned MW's and beyond, and a career MW? (duran, leonard, hearns, hagler,)

marvin hagler is one of the best middleweights ever and you think floyd mayweather rolls him?
and that he's a MW joe frazier?

you think that leonard does nothing better than floyd "outside of shoe shine,?"

that kostya tszyu would stand a chance against hearns, duran, leonard, hagler (or benetiz for that matter?)


and again... ricardo lopez?
he used to weigh 103 for a title fight in his prime..

am i missing the context of him being brought up?

lol

I know, I have some things to say about that post, too....

[CubanGuyNYC]

I doubt that any of the Fab 4 would have beaten Floyd in a round robin.

Duran was great but lost nearly every time he stepped up to the best of his day and even then sometimes against those who weren't the best of his day. The Laing fight comes to mind. Also too many unavenged losses.

Tommy Hearns was a dynamite puncher but had trouble landing dynamite against the best of the best. His defeat by the limited Hagler exposed Hearns' own limitations. As I said in a different post, being great in ONE ASPECT doesn't make you great ALL AROUND. Another one with unavenged losses.

Hagler was the MW version of Joe Frazier. I don't see Floyd having ANY problems with Hagler after watching what Willie Monroe did to him. Hell, even Ray Leonard was able to steal rounds after he was finished as a top fighter. You've got to be kidding.

Ray Leonard, as I've said before, is probably thee most talented of the four. Still, there is nothing that Ray could do that Mayweather doesn't aside from shoe-shining. Ray wasted a lot of punches and Floyd jr is 100 times the counter puncher that his father was. Floyd jr is more accurate that Ray was and he is in much better shape. Down the stretch conditioning would IMO have played a huge role. I have seen Ray Leonard tired. No one has EVER seen Floyd Mayweather tired.

None of these guys has moved up as much as Floyd has and remained undefeated doing it against #1 & 2 competition.

In your minds, competition from other eras was stiffer and better. Truth is though, in EVERY sport the medicine, training methods and technology gets better and more advanced. Therefore so do the athletes.

Only those who hold nostalgia as the scale to be weighed on say such foolish things like "old fighters would kill today's fighters".

Get real. I hold the golden era's fighters in high reverence as well, but I don't delude myself into believing that they are better than the methods that they were trained under. What they did and how they trained may have seemed more gritty and therefore more "badasss", but its hardly the way to gauge the gap between today's fighters and yesterday's stars.

Roy Jones, Floyd Mayweather, Kostya Tszyu and Ricardo Lopez would have taken the Fabulous Four a lot easier than some of your are willing to admit.

That's another post though.

I stated that there were other examples of fighters that could beat Floyd, but I limited my choices to just a couple of ATGs I'm very familiar with. I did this for the sake of brevity and to stick to the topic at hand: whether Floyd is overrated or not. I qualified my comments by specifying that Duran beats Mayweather at "135". Roberto is generally considered to be the greatest lightweight of all time. He lost one fight at that weight and avenged it. "Manos de Piedra" won several fights at 147, including a classic against Ray Leonard, before losing only his second fight against the very same ATG. Roberto was 71-1 at the outset of the second match.

Leonard was at least as fast as Floyd, comparably skilled and probably hit harder. Beyond that, Ray is a winner. There are men in all walks of life that always seem to find a way to overcome and win. "Sugar" is one of them. We can argue all day long as to who is/was better, but there's something you will never be able to say: "Floyd Mayweather has a better resume than 'Sugar' Ray Leonard." I agree, Floyd will never have the chances at glory that Ray did, but the fact remains....

I didn't mention Hearns and I won't get into that comparison for the reasons already cited. Hagler was a career middleweight. Enough said.

Where do you get the notion that I believe "competition from other eras was stiffer and better" and that "old fighters would kill today's fighters"? I never made such assertions, nor even implied them. I merely chose two ATGs from an acknowledged, great fighting era. You yourself used the term "Fab Four," and admit that you hold the old-timers in "high reverence." Should I consider your apparent preference for the younger champions as prejudicial? Do you consider Floyd Mayweather the GOAT, or the greatest welterweight of all time?

[CubanGuyNYC]

tommy hearns would knock his head off.

If the "Motor City Cobra" caught Floyd the way Mosley did in the second round of their fight, I have no doubt Mayweather's head would've rocketed off his shoulders.