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    #41
    Originally posted by Brother Jay View Post
    I know. That was my point. Your best offering was to use emoticons because you know that anything else would be judged by your understanding of the subject matter, and your ability to articulate your opposing views.

    It was a safe play to use emoticons because no one can compete with that level of ******ity.

    In that regard, you are very crafty, my friend.

    Carry on.
    Sometimes all you can do is laugh. Also laughing is a normal emotion. For you to think that's ******ity I'd ****** in itself.
    Maybe you should think before you speak.

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      #42
      Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC View Post
      I get the sense that Floyd is more often overrated. But it baffles me how some people can overlook Mayweather's blatantly obvious skills and talent. It's truly amazing.

      I'm not a Floyd fan. I would love to watch someone place a "one" where that precious "zero" of his now stands. However, I acknowledge his superiority as a boxer. I used to think Pacquiao had the edge in a head-to-head match-up. After Pac-JMM III, I'm leaning towards Floyd.

      Anyway, back to topic...Mayweather is probably an ATG, but it makes me roll my eyes when I hear (read) for the millionth time that Floyd is the GOAT. I would be willing to bet that 99% of people who say that started watching boxing just a few short years ago. As already stated, Duran probably beats Mayweather at 135. Leonard probably beats Floyd at 147. We can go on, but no need...or is there? lol

      tommy hearns would knock his head off.


      he also finished his career as a CW.

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        #43
        Originally posted by turbotime View Post
        Guarantee most on here don't even remember Hernandez, Corrales, Castillo or Manfredy.
        I know that most on THIS SITE don't remember those fights. They don't want to look back when Floyd was less defensive and knocking top guys out.

        They only remember as far back when talks of a possible match between Mayweather and Pacquiao surfaced.

        That's the extent of their history with the sport.

        They don't want the truth. They can't handle the truth.

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          #44
          Originally posted by PAC-BOY View Post
          Sometimes all you can do is laugh. Also laughing is a normal emotion. For you to think that's ******ity I'd ****** in itself.
          Maybe you should think before you speak.
          I always think before I speak, and I've got you pretty much summed up.

          Nothing deep going on with you aside from resentment and jealousy.

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            #45
            Originally posted by New England View Post
            tommy hearns would knock his head off.


            he also finished his career as a CW.
            Hearns is a nightmare for pretty much everyone at 147.

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              #46
              Originally posted by turbotime View Post
              Guarantee most on here don't even remember Hernandez, Corrales, Castillo or Manfredy.
              Yes i remember Hernandez mostly for quitting against DLH. Castillo i remember as the man who lost to Hatton and beat Floyd in the first fight.

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                #47
                Originally posted by Brother Jay View Post
                I always think before I speak, and I've got you pretty much summed up.

                Nothing deep going on with you aside from resentment and jealousy.
                So if all I could do right now is laugh I'd be wrong right?
                No it would make it an act of ******ity.
                Or now it makes me jealous

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by hugh grant View Post
                  Yes i remember Hernandez mostly for quitting against DLH. Castillo i remember as the man who lost to Hatton and beat Floyd in the first fight.


                  AKA only in the terms that it will benefit the legacy of the great pacquiao.


                  or make floyd look bad

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by hugh grant View Post
                    Yes i remember Hernandez mostly for quitting against DLH. Castillo i remember as the man who lost to Hatton and beat Floyd in the first fight.
                    You strike me as a Brit, if you aren't I am sorry for assumming man, that is still all bent out of shape because Floyd KO'd Ricky Hatton. And anyone who puts stock into Hatton beating Castillo when he did, just proves on why people can't take you seriously. Hatton did have good wins going into his showdown with Floyd, but Castillo wasn't one of them. Tszyu, Collazo, Urango, those were good wins. Castillo, when Hatton beat him, was past his prime-not even that good anymore. I gave Castillo little to no shot to win that fight.

                    And get the f**k outta here with "Floyd beat Hatton because of ref help", that just proves your ineptitude as a poster on this site. Floyd was better than Hatton, period, end of story. And Hatton was a good fighter, and it's sad that people have s**t all over Hatton as a fighter simply to discredit Floyd. People discredit anything Floyd does, so who ever he beats is also discredited.

                    When will you ever stop posting the bias bulls**t that you do??? It's like the never ending f**king story.

                    Here's where I stand with Floyd.

                    On the ATG list, based on career, resume, era, skills, all together......he's just inside the Top 30 ATG to me. Same goes for Manny Pacquiao. In terms of H2H, Floyd is probably considerably higher, around the Top 10-20, depending on who's doing the rating. I'd probably say around Top 15 or so. Floyd and Manny can still elevate their status on the ATG list though for sure.

                    If Manny goes on to beat Bradley and Mayweather, he'd without a doubt be inside the Top 20 to me. And if Floyd goes on to beat Cotto at 154 and Pacquiao/Martinez, he'd without a doubt be inside the Top 20 as well.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC View Post
                      I get the sense that Floyd is more often overrated. But it baffles me how some people can overlook Mayweather's blatantly obvious skills and talent. It's truly amazing.

                      I'm not a Floyd fan. I would love to watch someone place a "one" where that precious "zero" of his now stands. However, I acknowledge his superiority as a boxer. I used to think Pacquiao had the edge in a head-to-head match-up. After Pac-JMM III, I'm leaning towards Floyd.

                      Anyway, back to topic...Mayweather is probably an ATG, but it makes me roll my eyes when I hear (read) for the millionth time that Floyd is the GOAT. I would be willing to bet that 99% of people who say that started watching boxing just a few short years ago. As already stated, Duran probably beats Mayweather at 135. Leonard probably beats Floyd at 147. We can go on, but no need...or is there? lol
                      I doubt that any of the Fab 4 would have beaten Floyd in a round robin.

                      Duran was great but lost nearly every time he stepped up to the best of his day and even then sometimes against those who weren't the best of his day. The Laing fight comes to mind. Also too many unavenged losses.

                      Tommy Hearns was a dynamite puncher but had trouble landing dynamite against the best of the best. His defeat by the limited Hagler exposed Hearns' own limitations. As I said in a different post, being great in ONE ASPECT doesn't make you great ALL AROUND. Another one with unavenged losses.

                      Hagler was the MW version of Joe Frazier. I don't see Floyd having ANY problems with Hagler after watching what Willie Monroe did to him. Hell, even Ray Leonard was able to steal rounds after he was finished as a top fighter. You've got to be kidding.

                      Ray Leonard, as I've said before, is probably thee most talented of the four. Still, there is nothing that Ray could do that Mayweather doesn't aside from shoe-shining. Ray wasted a lot of punches and Floyd jr is 100 times the counter puncher that his father was. Floyd jr is more accurate that Ray was and he is in much better shape. Down the stretch conditioning would IMO have played a huge role. I have seen Ray Leonard tired. No one has EVER seen Floyd Mayweather tired.

                      None of these guys has moved up as much as Floyd has and remained undefeated doing it against #1 & 2 competition.

                      In your minds, competition from other eras was stiffer and better. Truth is though, in EVERY sport the medicine, training methods and technology gets better and more advanced. Therefore so do the athletes.

                      Only those who hold nostalgia as the scale to be weighed on say such foolish things like "old fighters would kill today's fighters".

                      Get real. I hold the golden era's fighters in high reverence as well, but I don't delude myself into believing that they are better than the methods that they were trained under. What they did and how they trained may have seemed more gritty and therefore more "badasss", but its hardly the way to gauge the gap between today's fighters and yesterday's stars.

                      Roy Jones, Floyd Mayweather, Kostya Tszyu and Ricardo Lopez would have taken the Fabulous Four a lot easier than some of your are willing to admit.

                      That's another post though.

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