Mayweather v Ortiz and Race

[americanbot]

I'm trying to think of a white fighter who acts like Floyd, I can't think of one.
Paulie Malignaggi maybe? he is disliked by a lot of people too.

joe calzaghie

[thatnickuh]

You have to ask why he looked at Cortez. He was clearly looking for some kind of confirmation that the fight was back on but Cortez wasn't doing his job, he wasn't refereeing, he wasn't even looking.

Just think about the silly explanation that you just gave. Ortiz gets hit by his opponent, then immediately looks to the ref for confirmation that the fight is on(nevermind the fact the ref had already resumed the fight). You people keep crying about Cortez not doing his job properly as the ref, but where's the criticism for Ortiz not doing his job as a pro prize fighter? Fighting within the rules is part of his job, and so is protecting himself at all times. I see nothing but excuses/passes for Ortiz, and it's all his fault.

[jtjrg35]

what mayweather did wrong was he took away the rest of the fight......... thats what he did.....

if all his fans are happy with that outcome, the way he garnered his win, then fine, but for those who wanted to see boxing and see the fight unfold organically, floyd ruined that from ever happening.....

i would be impressed if floyd got the ko when ortiz was paying attention and or had his guard up ready to fight, not looking to see what in the hell floyd tasted like with his kisses, and not waiting for joe cortez to stop looking at pdiddy in the crowd, looking for maybe an autograph........


it's sad that the issue gets brought up about mayweather, he's not the issue, just a small part, the big issue is ortiz and cortez.........

Mayweather didn't take anything away from the game. He beat his opponent, plain and simple. I know people like to see two men beat each other to a pulp for the entire fight but Ortiz didn't hold up his end of the bargain. If the other guy doesn't want to fight how can and why should Mayweather stop boxing.

Does anyone think Ortiz was looking for an exit, like he did against Maidana? I think that's another post let's keep to this topic.

[americanbot]

You have to ask why he looked at Cortez. He was clearly looking for some kind of confirmation that the fight was back on but Cortez wasn't doing his job, he wasn't refereeing, he wasn't even looking.

cortez said "lets go" meaning the fight has timed in.......ortiz is just mentally weak & was still thinking about the point he'd just had taken..............the ref did more then his job.

[jtjrg35]

Just think about the silly explanation that you just gave. Ortiz gets hit by his opponent, then immediately looks to the ref for confirmation that the fight is on(nevermind the fact the ref had already resumed the fight). You people keep crying about Cortez not doing his job properly as the ref, but where's the criticism for Ortiz not doing his job as a pro prize fighter? Fighting within the rules is part of his job, and so is protecting himself at all times. I see nothing but excuses/passes for Ortiz, and it's all his fault.

Why isn't anyone criticizing Ortiz? He's the one who didn't do his job.

[Weebler I]

joe calzaghie

be serious, Calzaghe is a humble cat, he's not loud either, reticent if anything

Just think about the silly explanation that you just gave. Ortiz gets hit by his opponent, then immediately looks to the ref for confirmation that the fight is on(nevermind the fact the ref had already resumed the fight). You people keep crying about Cortez not doing his job properly as the ref, but where's the criticism for Ortiz not doing his job as a pro prize fighter? Fighting within the rules is part of his job, and so is protecting himself at all times. I see nothing but excuses/passes for Ortiz, and it's all his fault.

I'll criticise Ortiz too, he should not have have headbutted Mayweather and he should've put his hands up after being hit.

cortez said "lets go" meaning the fight has timed in.......ortiz is just mentally weak & was still thinking about the point he'd just had taken..............the ref did more then his job.

The ref wasn't looking at the fighters, in anyone's language, that's not doing his job. In fact, it's negligent.

[studentofthegam]

Exactly the opposite is true.

If Ortiz would have sucker-punched Mayweather and knocked him out like that, I shudder to think how much b1tching and crying there would be about it!

The media nearly always sides with African-American athletes, whether they are right or wrong, and they show MUCH less respect for Hispanic and White athletes.

People in the US media have been going on and on about the headbutt from Ortiz. But they say little or nothing about Andre Ward's blatently deliberate headbutts, including the one that ended the fight with Mikkel Kessler!

And the HBO commentators didn't even mention the headbutt from Andre Berto that cut Dejan Zaveck.

It wouldnt happen to FLoyd because he "protects himmself at all times.

if there's a double standard (which i think there is) it only helps Floyd BECAUSE he's black.

what about those racist Ustream comments he made against Pacquiao and his race and nationality. He got admonished for it but for the most part, got a free pass. In America you can say whatever you want about Asians with impunity. Say anything about black people, its career suicide.

but if Pac had said some things about black people or called Floyd the N-word, Pacquiao would not recover, his image tarnished forever. NAACP, Jesse Jackson, white media would be up Pac's ass

btw welcome to the new America, this aint 1965 anymore!

No its not 1965 they're going for its 1865 my friend. If you think the US is very progressive in race relations then you my friend are blind.

LOL. no excuse for vic (he DESERVED to get laid out). tell me why floyd kept his cool regarding judah??? all im saying is floyd is CAPABLE of taking the high road, but didnt... so should we all ASSUME floyd will always take the classless route (and treat him as such?? cuz im sure you guys would be the first to complain about the unjust assumptions being placed on floyd)??? i, for one, expect good sportsmanship from floyd. its pretty funny how you guys basically act as if his actions were the norm & is completely justifiable. you ask what i would do in that situation??? i would smack ortiz is the mouth to get his attention so we can resume fighting (& add some trash talk). i WOULDNT throw a shot with bad intentions on a dude that wasnt looking and had his hands down.... for me, it cheapens the KO... especially if i felt that i wouldve KO'ed him anyway.

the funny thing is the floyd apologists on this forum... BOTTOM LINE, if you were to place ANY other fighter in floyds position, the fighter wouldve gotten criticized. PERIOD. the ACTION is getting the criticism, not the fighter. in fact, the blame is being passed around evenly to all parties involved (joe, vic, & floyd).... so the whining and playing the victim card is pretty pathetic.

He had to keep his cool because hhe was punched in the balls and folded over dum dum. If Judah would have tried to give Floyd some long drawn out apology he would have gotten the same. You see Judah understands that in a world of grown men that if I headbutt you and fcuk up your lip "I might get my ass beat". I cant peg you personally but most of these posters that try to hold Floyd to this high moral standard are the main ones that lack morality in every other post. "Freedom" for example. He headbutted him on purpose so FLoyd punched him on purpose. So what?

[BillyBoxing]

The outrage and controversy that surrounds the outcome of the fight is more about race than it is about the fight. Historically the media (white media and a significant % of whites) has always had a difficult time or flat out refuses to accept a Black man who is outspoken and proud. America like's its' Negroes to be submissive and docile. Americans actually were threatened by Martin Luther King and let’s not forget how much white America really felt about Muhammad Ali.

Now that we have the backdrop let’s fast forward to this fight. People are calling this a controversy and at the same time stating that Mayweather did nothing wrong. ?????????? Wow so the Black guy has to reach some sort of extra standards that are only visible to white people. Instead of evaluating the situation honestly – ORTIZ WAS LOOKING FOR A WAY OUT!!!!!! Ortiz wanted to quit like he did against Maidana stating “he didn’t deserve to get it like this”. Any boxer who jumps like he’s going for a rebound to head butt his opponent because he’s desperate is looking for a way out. Instead of questioning Ortiz’ toughness – he clearing could have gotten up because it was a knockdown punch not a knockout punch. Ortiz has no heart. By the way America didn’t and doesn’t care about Ortiz they will cheer and support anyone who can beat that Negro.

Please share your thoughts

They will cheer and support anyone who can beat that TOOL.

People didn't hate on Leonard, Hagler, Trinidad.

Why Floyd??Because of his behaviour.

[Bacatit]

STop making excuses for vic. He cheated and then got his ass beat. And you want floyd to take the high road. Cool, WOuld you? I doubt it.

WHile race shouldn't be an issue, you know if vic did this to manny they'd talk about the headbutt. Lampley, Steward, Merchant never called it inetentional. Knowing that, I can understand why people associate the backlash with race.

Tell em why we mad son !!!

I agree

[rorymac]

The outrage and controversy that surrounds the outcome of the fight is more about race than it is about the fight. Historically the media (white media and a significant % of whites) has always had a difficult time or flat out refuses to accept a Black man who is outspoken and proud. America like's its' Negroes to be submissive and docile. Americans actually were threatened by Martin Luther King and let’s not forget how much white America really felt about Muhammad Ali.

Now that we have the backdrop let’s fast forward to this fight. People are calling this a controversy and at the same time stating that Mayweather did nothing wrong. ?????????? Wow so the Black guy has to reach some sort of extra standards that are only visible to white people. Instead of evaluating the situation honestly – ORTIZ WAS LOOKING FOR A WAY OUT!!!!!! Ortiz wanted to quit like he did against Maidana stating “he didn’t deserve to get it like this”. Any boxer who jumps like he’s going for a rebound to head butt his opponent because he’s desperate is looking for a way out. Instead of questioning Ortiz’ toughness – he clearing could have gotten up because it was a knockdown punch not a knockout punch. Ortiz has no heart. By the way America didn’t and doesn’t care about Ortiz they will cheer and support anyone who can beat that Negro.

Please share your thoughts

I don't actually get what you're trying to say