Many boxing fans will be surprised to see Ortiz be very competitive against Floyd.

[gauze]

Ray Robinson was fundamentally sound - why didn't he fight as long as Hopkins?

he had 200 fights and fought until he was 44. whatchu want?

[IMDAZED]

I don't think we'll be able to tell on Sep.17th even if he put on a Boxing clinic, Some Boxers will good against certain styles regardless if they're past-prime(Roy Jones-Jeff Lacy). Even if he do lose in the near future, i still think his style of boxing will allow him to continuously be a top level competitor at the age of 35-38 against B-level and C-level Boxers.

That was because Lacy was the only fighter on earth more shot than Jones. I don't even think he landed a punch. If he did, he woulda won. Ortiz is nowhere near shot like Lacy was.

[IMDAZED]

he had 200 fights and fought until he was 44. whatchu want?

There are far more examples of fighters ripe for picking at 35 then those who keep going. That's life.

[junior gong]

Vic has practically no defence and leaves himself wide open every time he tries to throw his power shots. Vics only chance is to catch Floyd sleeping in the first couple of rounds, it wont happen, he is going to be completely demoralised by the middle rounds when he keeps hitting thin air and eating beautifully timed leather time after time.

[gauze]

There are far more examples of fighters ripe for picking at 35 then those who keep going. That's life.

i'm just here to talk about ray robinson. 44 is pretty much the same thing as 46. and 200 is a lot more than 50-whatever hopkins has. oh 60.
walker smith jr. 4 EVA

[gauze]

you got pawned bad son

[IMDAZED]

i'm just here to talk about ray robinson. 44 is pretty much the same thing as 46. and 200 is a lot more than 50-whatever hopkins has. oh 60.
walker smith jr. 4 EVA

Ok then may a thread about Ray. I used him as an example in raising a greater point. The bottom line is, for every Hopkins,t here are about 500 other boxers who are done by 35.

[Chopper417]

Oscar was right with everything he said & all of you will see. Floyd hasn't been in the ring with anyone that is as strong as Ortiz, nor big, young & hungry. He hasn't faced this kind of speed & power in years. I mean years. Hatton was the last fighter that was somewhat dangerous that Floyd faced. Ortiz is bigger, stronger & faster than he is.

Don't be surprised to see Ortiz match Floyd's speed & pressure him constantly, don't be surprised to see Floyd hurt & wobbled quite a few times. When the final bell sounds, don't be surprised to here Floyd declared the winner even though after watching the fight you feel that Ortiz actually beat him.

Bookmark this, if I'm wrong I'll admit it, I always do. But I have a feeling deep down in my guy Ortiz will give Floyd 1 if not the toughest fight of his career & he may even win too.

Not one chance in hell Ortiz is faster.

[Konstantin]

Hopkins is the exception not the rule. For every BHop there are about 500 other fighters who are ripe for picking by the time they're 35.

Ok, but that doesn't explain how he's doing it.

It's not magic, is it?

I think fighters deteriorating has a lot less to do with physical decline and more to do with decline in motivation to do something they have done for 20+ years of their life and not being self aware.

Getting old overnight is a 'phenomenon' that happens when a fighter thinks he's still as fast/strong as he once was but isn't. But that doesn't mean he can't fight successfully at a high level. It just means he has to evolve and change his style to suit his current level of physical abilities. It means he has to be smart.

And between Pacman and Mayweather, I think I know who's gonna fall off more quickly.

[IMDAZED]

Ok, but that doesn't explain how he's doing it.

It's not magic, is it?

I think fighters deteriorating has a lot less to do with physical decline and more to do with decline in motivation to do something they have done for 20+ years of their life and not being self aware.

Getting old overnight is a 'phenomenon' that happens when a fighter thinks he's still as fast/strong as he once was but isn't. But that doesn't mean he can't fight successfully at a high level. It just means he has to evolve and change his style to suit his current level of physical abilities. It means he has to be smart.

And between Pacman and Mayweather, I think I know who's gonna fall off more quickly.

We're not discussing Pacqquiao so let's stick to the topic. Physical decline is a huge part of it, as is mental. To discount the two is silly. A 50-year-old man isn't going to be great just because he's put his "mind to it."