Do You Have Mayweather In Your Top 100 ATG List?

[badass316]

No, is not. Because, that list is not credible FFS's.

Dude... do you even understand the words I'm typing? I already conceded the fact in that reply you are replying to that the list may not be the most credible one out there. My point in bringing that list was to show that an outside party, aside from you and I, that DLH and PBF are indeed a lot closer than what you think. Also that the fact that DLH is a lot closer to 50 than 100 if you think PBF is debatable at being around 50.

Although I digress from the credible part. Although it may not be the most credible, it's certainly more credible than any list a forum poster will make considering the entity that came out with the list (espn) is actually a reputable source when it comes to sports.

Ummm....He lost that fight, if you want to give him that win then you will have to give him the lost over an old past prime Whitaker.

You can't have it both ways.

If you want to put it like that then go ahead. I'll gladly trade a close SD loss to pernell over what should have a been a UD over a prime Tito.

What weight-class? 135? Compare that to Floyd run at 130, which other one 140? lets compare? What weight-class? Didn't dominate 147 at all. Floyd run at 130>>>>>>>>Oscar run at any single weight-class and that's not even debatable.

Since when were we comparing runs at weight classes? You're floating away from the topic at hand again. You said that he's never dominated a weight class, and I said I'm sure he has. DLH had good runs at 135, 140, and 147. Aside from the Tito debacle his only loss at 147 was to a prime SM, and that was one hell of a fight.

But, he didn't and thus it wasn't a clear victory. So my statement is still stands. The best clear victory over a true prime top fighter is against Rafael Ruelas.

So yea...

That's what you think. And I'm sure you're in the minority when you discuss DLH's career and bring about Rafael Ruelas as his "best" victory over a prime fighter.

So yea...

[IronDanHamza]

lol......excuses....you implied in your post that the roger fight was later on in sweetpea's carreer which was not the case....that my friend proves you arejust ****ridding jro's high horse argument but really did'nt know much about it....then you have the nerve to tell someone to watch fights?....lol

Actually, no, no I didn't. I addressed you're brainless logic. One in which you clearly still can't comprehend because you're that ****ing slow.

[IronDanHamza]

for someone who reaaly has'nt seen the fight and gives his 2 cents about it, you sure have the nerve...

Yet you just claimed Whitaker struggled with Roger? Which he didn't.

Yet you just claimed Whitaker was almost KTFO by Roger? Which he wasn't.

Who are you fooling? It's in black and white writing you saying these things that didn't come close to happening.

[puga]

Yet you just claimed Whitaker struggled with Roger? Which he didn't.

Yet you just claimed Whitaker was almost KTFO by Roger? Which he wasn't.

Who are you fooling? It's in black and white writing you saying these things that didn't come close to happening.

get back at me when you have seen the fight...

[badass316]

OMFG, can't be ****ing serious with that bull****. Did any of you guys watch boxing in the 90's?

Here we go again with your high horse act. Dude, you're 27. You're not much older than I am. What were you in the early 90's like 8 or 9? You're meaning to tell me when you were 8 or 9 you were already a hardcore boxing fan and were already processing all that information? It's hazy but when I was 8 or 9 I'm sure my thoughts centered around my sega and candy. You're accounts of fights in the early 90s are most likely the same as mine, downloaded through the net.

He's in the WBHOF, still HOF.

Okay, if you put it that way I guess.

[badass316]

Body of work I can certainly agree with.

But wins, I can't see how Oscar is higher than Mayweather. But I guess that's just my opinion at the end of the day.

Pretty much yea. By the end of the day it's just opinions from both sides. I have no problems with debating certain issues. I just don't like how some people come off sometimes, I don't know it just rubs me the wrong way. You're cool though, you can actually debate without sounding like your opinion is better than anyone else's or that everyone who disagrees with you is ignorant. At least when you and I are debating that is lol

[jrosales13]

Dude... do you even understand the words I'm typing? I already conceded the fact in that reply you are replying to that the list may not be the most credible one out there. My point in bringing that list was to show that an outside party, aside from you and I, that DLH and PBF are indeed a lot closer than what you think. Also that the fact that DLH is a lot closer to 50 than 100 if you think PBF is debatable at being around 50.

If the list is not credible then there is no reason to bring it to a debate.

Although I digress from the credible part. Although it may not be the most credible, it's certainly more credible than any list a forum poster will make considering the entity that came out with the list (espn) is actually a reputable source when it comes to sports.

There a posters on this forum that can give a more credible list than that of "ESPN".

If you want to put it like that then go ahead. I'll gladly trade a close SD loss to pernell over what should have a been a UD over a prime Tito.

Sure, and we can also trade in the "wins" of Quartey and Sturm. There are more questionable Oscar wins than there are losses.

Since when were we comparing runs at weight classes? You're floating away from the topic at hand again. You said that he's never dominated a weight class, and I said I'm sure he has. DLH had good runs at 135, 140, and 147. Aside from the Tito debacle his only loss at 147 was to a prime SM, and that was one hell of a fight.

Oscar never dominated a weight-class, not like Floyd anyway.

That's what you think. And I'm sure you're in the minority when you discuss DLH's career and bring about Rafael Ruelas as his "best" victory over a prime fighter.

So yea...

Name me a better clear cut victory over a true top prime fighter better than the Ruelas win?

So yea...

[IronDanHamza]

get back at me when you have seen the fight...

Thought so.

You're not fooling anyone.

Run along.

[jrosales13]

Here we go again with your high horse act. Dude, you're 27. You're not much older than I am. What were you in the early 90's like 8 or 9? You're meaning to tell me when you were 8 or 9 you were already a hardcore boxing fan and were already processing all that information? It's hazy but when I was 8 or 9 I'm sure my thoughts centered around my sega and candy. You're accounts of fights in the early 90s are most likely the same as mine, downloaded through the net.



Okay, if you put it that way I guess.

Actually I can remember when I was 9 I was begging my mom to buy me ring ****zinez just to read articles that had Tito on it. I remember being 12 years old begging my mom to order PPV's. So yes I was somewhat hardcore by then. It all started when I was at the Tito-Blocker fight in San Diego. But, that's neither here nor there.

The point is that if you really think a win over 2 old past prime fighters is better than anything Floyd has done. Then I just can't see how you have Floyd near the top 50 ATG.

But, whatever.

[KnockUTheFukOut]

I disagree with that.

If he would have retired after the Jesus Chavez fight, It would be very difficult to put him in the top 100 ATG list.

His run at 130, made him an ATG Super featherweight. Made him arguably a top 3 greatest 130 pounder of all time. But, not top 50 P4P ATG.

I should have said "Top 100" not Top 50, I honestly don't know were Mayweather ranks, it would all depend on the Criteria in which some people would use to come up with a Ranking, some people only go by Wins and Losses and "who did he fight" but a lot of All-Time Rankings uses a BUNCH OF THINGS, from Skill Sets, to so many other things the average boxing fans really don't know nothing about, when people talk about Ali and Robinson, your hear them talk more about their SKILLS then you do about "WHO THEY FIGHT" and "WHO BEAT" or "WHO THEY LOST TO" that is the difference between todays boxing fans, many are so SIMPLE that they just go by WINS & LOSES and "WHICH BIG NAME THAT I AM FAMILIAR WITH THAT HE BEAT"

but for me, that was the BEST MAYWEATHER! the one at 130, Just like the Best Roy Jones was at 168-175 and the Best Hopkins at 160

we can get into the entire "WHO DID HE FIGHT" blah blah blah but the average fans criteria when it comes to ranking fighters ALL TIME...really don't mean much because many people use PERSONAL FEELINGS and will base rankings based on "WHO THEY LIKE PERSONALLY" when they make All-Time Rankings

Duran lost to Hagler, Hearns and Leonard but most Rankings still put him Higher then those guys All-Time because of what he did during his 135 lbs career

so to be honest, ALL RANKINGS ARE JUST OPINIONS, NONE OF THEM should be held or used as "THE CORRECT ONE", when you put together Rankings in ANYTHING, you will never be able to satisfy everybody and get everybody to AGREE