Admit It People, Manny Pacquiao Has Been Reduced To Fighting Mayweathers Scraps

[V.WEBB]

Yes you are.

Dude has been fighting bums and that is why he isn't getting the fight.

Fighting bums = not building your name/ a fan base up = not taking your career serious.

It's cool though, I see what this is all about......

I'm the last person you will see making excuses for Andre Berto bro, believe that. I'm not even a huge fan of the guy. Do I like him, sure, but not like that.

As I have said before, he definitely needs to step his competition up, that's a given. But again, I refuse to believe that he didn't get the Manny fight "because he didn't fight Shane Mosley". I'm just not buying it. Couple that with Manny's recent opponent selection had Berto done that, Arum (and you for that matter) could STILL use the "no fan base/building your name up" thing as a reason for him not getting the fight. When people use that argument, I ask, what kind of fanbase did Clottey have?

[Mr. President]

what ever happens... it will always be "floyd never fought some of pac's opponents" and "pac fought floyd's opponents"

Right, Manny's fought some of Floyd's opponents after he ruined them where as Manny's beaten some subpar competition that Floyd wouldnt dumb himself down to face. I couldnt agree with you more.

[Mr. President]

Berto vs Mosley imo is still a toss up fight if it were to happen. Mosley is clearly not at his best anymore but im not sure Berto could deal with his power. I do agree though that Berto Pac is a better fight at this point because Berto is young,undefeated and fresher but im just not sure that i agree that even now Berto is better then Mosley.

Mosley's not the same fighter he was just a couple of years ago, which is the only reason Pac is fighting him.

He looked great against Margarito in what was one of the stand out performances of his career. Floyd (being the proud champion that he is) took note of this, and unlike Pacquiao decided to fight him while he was still a serious threat.

Only now that Floyd has already completely destroyed him and shortened his career (as evidenced by his subpar draw against Mora) is Pacquiao willing to step up and fight him.

If you people can't see the logic behind this thread then you're either delusional or lying to yourselves.

[hugh grant]

It's no secret that Freddie "The Joke Coach" Roach waits for fighters to be ruined before letting Pac fight them, but this is getting ridiculous.

First Floyd defeats Oscar handily and right after Manny swoops into fight him.

Then he DESTROYS Hatton and leaves him a shell of his former self in the most brutal KO of the year (which may or may not have caused Ricky's well documented stuggles with obesity and drug abuse) only for Manny to set up a fight with the broken man right after.

And now he's preparing to fight Shane "My tooth hurts and i need a vacation" Mosley, the same man who Floyd just decimated for 12 rounds straight less than 8 months ago.

It's facts like these that make me think Team Pacquiao are a group of cowards who refuse to face fighters at their peak. While Floyd steps up like the champion he is and faces these fighters while they're still threats, Manny plays the background until Floyd softens them up for him. That's not how great fighters operate which is why Floyd is looked at as the greatest fighter of his era while Pacquiao and his mouth piece Freddie "The Joke Coach" Roach will be forgotten about in 10 years.

Youve got to laugh at this. Pac fights Floyds opponents to show them he beats them better, rather than fights his scraps. He then fights extra opponents that Floyd wont dare fight on top of it ie cotto, margarito.

Floyd dont fight at all, even when Pac busts them up for FLoyd. He might dare fight COtto and Margarito now though.

[check hook]

Whilst MP fought inferior versions of both Hatton and ODLH it wasn't about fighting "scraps" it was about $$$$$.

[puga]

Whilst MP fought inferior versions of both Hatton and ODLH it wasn't about fighting "scraps" it was about $$$$$.

hatton at 147 was inferior to hatton at 140.......stop the revision!

[check hook]

hatton at 147 was inferior to hatton at 140.......stop the revision!

Yes he was.

The why is very simple:

- Mayweather fought an undefeated and supremely confident Hatton.
- Mayweather is not a big welterweight.
- Mayweather beat Hatton up over 10 rounds and KO'd him.
- Hatton was devestated by his own admission and fired his long time trainer Billy Graham, changing his team dynamic entirely.
- In Hatton's subsequent fight he was rocked badly by Juan Lazcano.

The version of Hatton Mayweather fought is superior to the one Manny fought regardless of this pathetic argument about the weight.

Also we all know that the version of ODLH Floyd fought was far and away superior.

This isn't to say MP wouldn't beat Mayweather. It's just obvious imo and is a point of differentiation used by clueless boxing fans to justify MP standing ahead of Mayweather's. Saying something like "MP beat ODLH and Hatton much more impressively than Mayweather so he is the better fighter" is a load of ****. When doing that these fans would be much better served pointing to MP's victories over Cotto, Clottey and Margarito, the fact he is an active fighter and his previous body of work at the lower weights, not comparing the common opponents because frankly if you break it down Floyd's win over ODLH is infinitely more impressive and the win against Hatton is actually more relevant and at least equally impressive.

[puga]

Yes he was.

The why is very simple:

- Mayweather fought an undefeated and supremely confident Hatton.
- Mayweather is not a big welterweight.
- Mayweather beat Hatton up over 10 rounds and KO'd him.- Hatton was devestated by his own admission and fired his long time trainer Billy Graham, changing his team dynamic entirely.- In Hatton's subsequent fight he was rocked badly by Juan Lazcano.

The version of Hatton Mayweather fought is superior to the one Manny fought regardless of this pathetic argument about the weight.

Also we all know that the version of ODLH Floyd fought was far and away superior.

This isn't to say MP wouldn't beat Mayweather. It's just obvious imo and is a point of differentiation used by clueless boxing fans to justify MP standing ahead of Mayweather's. Saying something like "MP beat ODLH and Hatton much more impressively than Mayweather so he is the better fighter" is a load of ****. When doing that these fans would be much better served pointing to MP's victories over Cotto, Clottey and Margarito, the fact he is an active fighter and his previous body of work at the lower weights, not comparing the common opponents because frankly if you break it down Floyd's win over ODLH is infinitely more impressive and the win against Hatton is actually more relevant and at least equally impressive.

the bold does'nt hold any water to support your argument....hatton at 147 looked terrible...he was arguably beat there...i personally thought collazo beat him.....hatton at 140 was the lineal champion.....that alone shows, as clear as daylight whcih was the better version...

[Fighting Pride]

Yeah right, when Roach first says Pac might fight Oscar, Hatton, Cotto..he's a scumbag trying to cash out on Pac as they will all destroy him..when Pac does what was seen as the impossible and destory them all, Roach is all of a sudden a cherry picking evil genius. hahaha. Gotta love ***** logic. ****ing scumbags change **** to suit whatever their made up fallacy

[Fighting Pride]

It's no secret that Freddie "The Joke Coach" Roach waits for fighters to be ruined before letting Pac fight them, but this is getting ridiculous.

First Floyd defeats Oscar handily and right after Manny swoops into fight him.

Then he DESTROYS Hatton and leaves him a shell of his former self in the most brutal KO of the year (which may or may not have caused Ricky's well documented stuggles with obesity and drug abuse) only for Manny to set up a fight with the broken man right after.

And now he's preparing to fight Shane "My tooth hurts and i need a vacation" Mosley, the same man who Floyd just decimated for 12 rounds straight less than 8 months ago.

It's facts like these that make me think Team Pacquiao are a group of cowards who refuse to face fighters at their peak. While Floyd steps up like the champion he is and faces these fighters while they're still threats, Manny plays the background until Floyd softens them up for him. That's not how great fighters operate which is why Floyd is looked at as the greatest fighter of his era while Pacquiao and his mouth piece Freddie "The Joke Coach" Roach will be forgotten about in 10 years.

Floyd defeats Oscar handily? bhwwhahahaha that was Floyd's worst performance of recent times and Oscar would've won had he not gassed. Being 35 and the year and a half off took it's toll. Floyd schooled him that bad that Floyd's father even said Oscar beat him, ..Floyd was favored against Oscar. Oscar was supposed to kill Pac, if you haven't forgotten. You Floyd nutsuckers must be dumbest pieces of **** on the earth to think you can change history sprouting your hate fueled propaganda bull**** from your ******s.

Funny how the Floyd beat Oscar at his own weight argument is used there, but then there is no mention that Floyd beat Hatton at 147 where he'd never looked good. Hilarious. Floyd was also favorite against Hatton. Pac beat Hatton in his own weight class where he was still undefeated and looked his best ever smashing Malignaggi who many were picking to outbox him. Stop twisting facts to help your **** loverboy Floyd, you ******s

And Pac's fighting mosley because he's the biggest money fight available, and with no significant fights left. better than sitting on your ass only fighting Pac hiding behind the media and from twitter and ustream like an internet warrior. oh and beating up women. or retiring to AVOID cotto and margarito! How can these deluded scumbags use Pac beating cotto and margo, the two guys floyd blatantly ducked, to put him down against floyd? these deluded maggots are a new breed of ******