Vitali vs Brock? It may happen

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That fight wasn't as bad as it looks on paper. Rahman was basically shutting out Maskaev before he got caught with that beautiful right hand.

And at about the same time, he also put on a completely one-sided boxing clinic against Tua at the absolute peak of Tua's powers. Through 9 rounds Rahman was shutting Tua out before getting caught with that punch after the bell. Up until that after the bell punch caught Rahman, nobody had every whipped Tua so easily.

If he had back off a little and protected his lead, he would have coasted to easy decisions in both of those fights.

The second Lewis fight was the only time I've ever seen anyone really dominate Rahman. I think he went into a funk after that and looked as bad as he has ever looked against Holyfield and Ruiz.

Rock fought a great fight vs. Tua in their first meeting, that was the best Rock has ever looked and Rock has never been the same since not too mention even close to the same shape physically, that was when he was called the Rock for a reason!

Your right he was winning the Maskeav fight easy but he got cauight, thats what happens in boxing...regardles of how he was doing in the fight it is a black mark on his record...hell there are a lot of poeple (Bozo) who wont give VK any credit for winning on the cards at the time of the cut stoppage against LL so I cant see how you can begin to excuse or give any credit what so ever for Rock's embarrassing super ko loss to oleg.

the whole point here is we are talking about Rahman a log damn time ago...he is not the same fighter he was when he fought Tua...I have never seen that Rahman since that fight and neither has anyone else...The Rahman of today has been very inconsistent and I hope like hell that he can get into the shape that he needs to be truly effective. The Meehan fight was a start but again lets see some consistency.

[oldgringo]

Can someone explain to me how Brock is overrated. I already read that on this thread and then I also read the he'd be destroyed by Klit based solely on the fact that he was knocked down by McCline.

Some people are unbelievable.

Brock has looked good against everyone he's faced so far, and has shown that he has good skills with a lot of heart. I dare one of you Klitschko fans to disagree with that.

He's now beaten McCline whos a good test for anybody, and he destroyed Etienne who is very average, but at least he's been in with good comp.

Brock has his career in front of him and has a lot of upside, but I don't see how anyones overrated him. Nobody is saying that he's the second coming of christ. He is however a good heavyweight with good size, power, handspeed, chin, and has the heart to get off the canvas to win.

[mikey5time]

I'm not saying Brock is a bum, but unless he's improved an amazingly great deal, he can't take Klitchko.

Yes, the fact that he was knocked down by Mccline says something. He may not have been knocked out, but he was down. Mark my words, if this fight happens, Vitali will put him on the mat at least 5 times if it isn't stopped before then.

Maybe in a few years, but not right now.

[Super_Lightweight]

hmm

Some of you complain too much. Vitali is hurt and all this talk of who will be fighting who is nothing but conjecture at this point. No dotted lines are signed so can't criticize jack ****. Even if Vitali doesn't fight a great fighter in his return bout, who cares? He's coming off a long layoff anyway, plus there ain't that many good fighters in this division anyway.

[GOAT]

Your right he was winning the Maskeav fight easy but he got cauight, thats what happens in boxing...regardles of how he was doing in the fight it is a black mark on his record...hell there are a lot of poeple (Bozo) who wont give VK any credit for winning on the cards at the time of the cut stoppage against LL so I cant see how you can begin to excuse or give any credit what so ever for Rock's embarrassing super ko loss to oleg.

My only point is that Rahman has talent. To deny that is ridiculous. This is not some one punch wonder. Has he been inconsisent? Abso-****ing-lutely. He is a lazy ****er, who has let himself get so fat at times (like the second Tua fight) that it's almost unbearable to watch. He is so inconsistent that I refuse to pick a winner in any fight he's in. I knew he could destroy Meehan, for example. But I didn't know whether he would, because you never know with him.

He also has made the mistake of falling in love with the considerable power in his right hand. When the man works off his very impressive jab, he is always a force to be reckoned with. He didn't just win the Lewis fight with the lucky big punch. He was actually out-jabbing Lewis.

When he spends the entire fight loading up and trying to land one big right hand, he ends up being outfought by guys like the aging Holyfield and Ruiz. That said, I have seen dramatic improvement over the last few fights. He has slowly worked himself back into great shape, and he has consistently worked off of his jab.

I still don't know what to expect from him from fight to fight, but I will never count him out.

P.S. Lewis v. Klitschko was not as one-sided (many observers had it even) as Rahman v. Maskaev or Rahman v. Tua I, but I understand what you're saying. A loss is a loss. I'm just saying that you need to look beyond boxrec to see what was actually happening. If you were to just see TKO6 on Vitali's record you wouldn't know anything except that he was stopped in 6 rounds. If you saw the fight, then you know it was a relatively close, back and forth brawl, which the judges had Vitali winning 4 rounds to 2 after 6 rounds. Lewis obviously did more damage, but there is no denying that Vitali had a small lead on the scorecards.

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My only point is that Rahman has talent. To deny that is ridiculous. This is not some one punch wonder. Has he been inconsisent? Abso-****ing-lutely. He is a lazy ****er, who has let himself get so fat at times (like the second Tua fight) that it's almost unbearable to watch. He is so inconsistent that I refuse to pick a winner in any fight he's in. I knew he could destroy Meehan, for example. But I didn't know whether he would, because you never know with him.

He also has made the mistake of falling in love with the considerable power in his right hand. When the man works off his very impressive jab, he is always a force to be reckoned with. He didn't just win the Lewis fight with the lucky big punch. He was actually out-jabbing Lewis.

When he spends the entire fight loading up and trying to land one big right hand, he ends up being outfought by guys like the aging Holyfield and Ruiz. That said, I have seen dramatic improvement over the last few fights. He has slowly worked himself back into great shape, and he has consistently worked off of his jab.

I still don't know what to expect from him from fight to fight, but I will never count him out.

P.S. Lewis v. Klitschko was not as one-sided (many observers had it even) as Rahman v. Maskaev or Rahman v. Tua I, but I understand what you're saying. A loss is a loss. I'm just saying that you need to look beyond boxrec to see what was actually happening. If you were to just see TKO6 on Vitali's record you wouldn't know anything except that he was stopped in 6 rounds. If you saw the fight, then you know it was a relatively close, back and forth brawl, which the judges had Vitali winning 4 rounds to 2 after 6 rounds. Lewis obviously did more damage, but there is no denying that Vitali had a small lead on the scorecards.

I can't disagree with naything you said here..were on the same page!

I know what you mean about not knowing what your gonna get from Rock fight i and fight out...

I bet a decent chunk of change on Rock beating Ruiz and I was in a state of shock at how ****ing bad he performed...I said after that fight that I would never lay a dime on Rahman ever again, and I am a guy who won a ton on his fight in South Africa.

[GOAT]

I bet a decent chunk of change on Rock beating Ruiz and I was in a state of shock at how ****ing bad he performed...I said after that fight that I would never lay a dime on Rahman ever again, and I am a guy who won a ton on his fight in South Africa.

That was the worst fight I have ever seen, and I have seen some bad ones.

Rahman looked like he was waiting for something all night. In fact, I think my friends decided I was crazy that night because I kept screaming at the TV, "WHAT THE **** ARE YOU WAITING FOR?"

The worst part was that he finally seemed to wake up right before the final bell and nailed Ruiz with a beautiful right hand. Way too little, way too late.

[mikefromstu]

And in his last fight, he took on the #5 ranked heavyweight, Meehan.[/QUOTE]


Top 5? are you kidding. He isn't top 25.

[GOAT]

Top 5? are you kidding. He isn't top 25.

Wrong.

[mikefromstu]

gimme a break man. D. Williamson is #3 IBF right now with #1 an #2 vacant. By that logic he's a top ten guy also. You have to go with legit rankings like ring mag. espn or *********.