Comments Thread For: Ryan Garcia-Rolando Romero, Devin Haney-Jose Ramirez, Martin Bakole-Efe Ajagba announced for May 2025

[champion4ever]

There are degrees... You show you are uninformed: Cutting the wind off? You continue? Really? Lol. Ok... If you are gasping for breath, yes... You can maybe catch it, but if you cannot breathe, you are done. Reality... A well placed shot to the Plexis, or Liver, even kidney? I find it hard to believe if hit correctly you getting up and shaking it off... there are degrees of hurt to consider. Breath? is absolute. You can kill a person while they are yelling "I cannot Breathe" did you know that? Probably not...

Sir, I grew up playing American football in the snow. I have never been punched to the body with a fist like Ryan had but I have been stuck and speared before.

Like when a guy leaves both his feet and launches his entire body weight into you. These guys weighed a lot more than me to but I’ve always gotten up from them.

All for the exception of the one time where I was speared right under my left rib. That debilitated to me for about 15 to 30 seconds but I continue to play ball.

I love playing contact sports because I’m tough. Which is why I love boxing so much.

Truth be told; I would rather fight for a living rather than playing football because It’s much safer. It’s a one on one contact.

[champion4ever]

Good for you, brother. I feel like it's such a confidence booster to know you have that kind of grit. You're right about the solar plexus. Another one that people don't know about is a kick on the common peroneal nerve. That can just shut your leg off and you can't get up. One of the MMA guys in that show in which they go around trying different martial arts took one of those shots during the Krav **** episode and I felt his pain. Last time I ate one of those I was limping for two weeks.

I do think you are right that Ryan is mentally weak, and I don't think any of these social media divas we've got these days will ever be able to find that real dog in them. It's why I value the fighters like Beterbiev, Bivol, Bam Rodriguez, Inoue, and Usyk so highly. They're a throwback to the breed that really inspires. But I, for one, am not going to second guess the decisions of anyone who steps in the ring.

Thank you, that’s fair enough. Good post!

[crimsonfalcon07]

Sir, I grew up playing American football in the snow. I have never been punched to the body with a fist like Ryan had but I have been stuck and speared before.

Like when a guy leaves both his feet and launches his entire body weight into you. These guys weighed a lot more than me to but I’ve always gotten up from them.

All for the exception of the one time where I was speared right under my left rib. That debilitated to me for about 15 to 30 seconds but I continue to play ball.

I love playing contact sports because I’m tough. Which is why I love boxing so much.

Truth be told; I would rather fight for a living rather than playing football because It’s much safer. It’s a one on one contact.

I will say, a fist is a very different thing from a guy launching his bodyweight into you. The guy launching his bodyweight isn't traveling as fast, and the impact is distributed across vastly more surface area. I've felt both many times. A proper strike has most of the bodyweight behind it distributed across a much smaller surface area, meaning it penetrates much more. That being said, football players tend to be huge. But those are in no way comparable experiences. Force is mass times acceleration, and impact and damage, especially to internal organs, is determined by how much surface area the force is distributed across. I'm not trying to diminish your experience or toughness, just be aware that it's not the same thing. I've never once had my body shut down completely from a body impact, but a good liver shot turns your whole world white and your body literally stops responding. It's not even a matter of toughness. You get turned off and no matter how hard you try to get up, you can't. The buddy I was telling you about earlier was able to fight through being shot 17 times and still get his squad to safety. He couldn't stand up for nearly 45 seconds after taking one hook to the liver, and I assure you he was trying. Zero quit in that guy.

-edit- speaking of liver shots, KO finish in the ONE 170 co main... Ouch.

[champion4ever]

I will say, a fist is a very different thing from a guy launching his bodyweight into you. The guy launching his bodyweight isn't traveling as fast, and the impact is distributed across vastly more surface area. I've felt both many times. A proper strike has most of the bodyweight behind it distributed across a much smaller surface area, meaning it penetrates much more. That being said, football players tend to be huge. But those are in no way comparable experiences. Force is mass times acceleration, and impact and damage, especially to internal organs, is determined by how much surface area the force is distributed across. I'm not trying to diminish your experience or toughness, just be aware that it's not the same thing. I've never once had my body shut down completely from a body impact, but a good liver shot turns your whole world white and your body literally stops responding. It's not even a matter of toughness. You get turned off and no matter how hard you try to get up, you can't. The buddy I was telling you about earlier was able to fight through being shot 17 times and still get his squad to safety. He couldn't stand up for nearly 45 seconds after taking one hook to the liver, and I assure you he was trying. Zero quit in that guy.

-edit- speaking of liver shots, KO finish in the ONE 170 co main... Ouch.

You make a good point. If I was punched in the liver with a boxing glove I don’t know how I would feel or react.

However, there’s one thing I do know. I won’t lay over or lay down.

I would at least attempt to get up before the referee can wave off the fight. Then before my corner would throw in the towel.

See the trouble with KingRy he is that he is afraid of taking an ass whupping. Everyone is not wired the same way.

[billeau2]

Sir, I grew up playing American football in the snow. I have never been punched to the body with a fist like Ryan had but I have been stuck and speared before.

Like when a guy leaves both his feet and launches his entire body weight into you. These guys weighed a lot more than me to but I’ve always gotten up from them.

All for the exception of the one time where I was speared right under my left rib. That debilitated to me for about 15 to 30 seconds but I continue to play ball.

I love playing contact sports because I’m tough. Which is why I love boxing so much.

Truth be told; I would rather fight for a living rather than playing football because It’s much safer. It’s a one on one contact.

There is a fine line here... Toughness does get us far but there are limits.

[billeau2]

You make a good point. If I was punched in the liver with a boxing glove I don’t know how I would feel or react.

However, there’s one thing I do know. I won’t lay over or lay down.

I would at least attempt to get up before the referee can wave off the fight. Then before my corner would throw in the towel.

See the trouble with KingRy he is that he is afraid of taking an ass whupping. Everyone is not wired the same way.

Your not looking at some of the factors involved: Rye was severely drained... All the nice things that protect us from organ shots, like a layer of body fat, hydration, were absent for him. This is actually huge... Another big factor is the angle of the shot... This angle affects the properties of the glove... Believe it, or not...

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

Your not looking at some of the factors involved: Rye was severely drained... All the nice things that protect us from organ shots, like a layer of body fat, hydration, were absent for him. This is actually huge... Another big factor is the angle of the shot... This angle affects the properties of the glove... Believe it, or not...

Some insightful and respectful dialogue from you champion4ever and crimsonfalcon07 good job gentlemen, this is the way discussions should be had...

[champion4ever]

There is a fine line here... Toughness does get us far but there are limits.

I agree. One can be too brave for their own good. If a fighter has taken one too many head blows, badly aged, overmatched or past their prime. Then yes; It would not be wise to test how strong and durable they are.

It would be smart to stop the fight but not by the fighter himself. Unless, he loses face. In those cases, let only the referee or his corner stop the fight for him.

[champion4ever]

Your not looking at some of the factors involved: Rye was severely drained... All the nice things that protect us from organ shots, like a layer of body fat, hydration, were absent for him. This is actually huge... Another big factor is the angle of the shot... This angle affects the properties of the glove... Believe it, or not...

I understand what you are saying. Yes, I agree that he was weight drained and that his organs had been probably badly exposed, weakened, deprived of its natural minerals, nutrients and vitamins due to that weight drain.

However, he signed up to do the fight. He is a professional; A prizefighter who should have learned how to deal with adversity at birth. People paid their hard earned money to see that fight.

As an athlete and in competition a fighter must learn to bite down and dig deep. I just don't believe that Ryan Garcia has the stuff that champions are made of because champions don't give up.

Quitting the way he did was inexcusable. If he was taking an ass whupping or being overmatched then I would understand. It is was helped ruined his life and career. Since he took that knee his life has never been the same.

That one act of cowardice has fucked up his entire life forever. He knew that he let not only himself down but those who had staunchly believed him in down as well.

He needs to learn to forgive himself and move on. Put that set back in the rear view mirror and make a come back. Drowning himself in dope and alcohol is not going to make the pain or that bad memory go away.

Unfortunately, that Gervonta "Tank" Davis fight has mentally scarred him.

[billeau2]

I understand what you are saying. Yes, I agree that he was weight drained and that his organs had been probably badly exposed, weakened, deprived of its natural minerals, nutrients and vitamins due to that weight drain.

However, he signed up to do the fight. He is a professional; A prizefighter who should have learned how to deal with adversity at birth. People paid their hard earned money to see that fight.

As an athlete and in competition a fighter must learn to bite down and dig deep. I just don't believe that Ryan Garcia has the stuff that champions are made of because champions don't give up.

Quitting the way he did was inexcusable. If he was taking an ass whupping or being overmatched then I would understand. It is was helped ruined his life and career. Since he took that knee his life has never been the same.

That one act of cowardice has fucked up his entire life forever. He knew that he let not only himself down but those who had staunchly believed him in down as well.

He needs to learn to forgive himself and move on. Put that set back in the rear view mirror and make a come back. Drowning himself in dope and alcohol is not going to make the pain or that bad memory go away.

Unfortunately, that Gervonta "Tank" Davis fight has mentally scarred him.

Ryan's decision is not the issue here, rather it is our ability to overcome physiological factors. Should not confuse these two. I don't think Ryan is scarred at all... Nor do I think he should be. If you are tazed can you overcome that? Organ shots can cause a very similar reaction. I don't think anyone can know what Ryan could have done... it is entirely possible he had more in him, or, that he did not. Nobody can truly know for sure.