Robeisy Ramirez Reportedly Has An Orbital Fracture

[crimsonfalcon07]

Yeah, I believe that last link is the one I was talking about, but from a different angle. The left left elbow doesn't connect at all and the right elbow seems to connect lightly after the forearm slides across, but it appears as if Ramirez lunges a bit forward head first which causes the forearm to connect. That right elbow shown on that last link couldn't have caused an orbital fracture, in my opinion.

There did look to be an uppercut landed after, not to mention the flush punch that ended things. But there simply aren't elbows landing when he said they were. It's his health and career and he can do what he wants, but so far, from what I've seen, and a couple rewatches and going frame by frame, I don't see anything at all that is cut and dry enough for me to call the victory into question. Maybe if he hadn't quit immediately after a flush punch landed right **** on the area in question, I could buy it, but there were sufficient punches landed on that eye to justify the damage, and the details just don't line up with the claims. When the video team combs through the tape on broadcast and can't find anything but the one missed right hand and Robeisy smacking his own head into the forearm in any of the rounds that they're claiming elbows, it makes it harder for me to buy it. People love their little theories though, and don't seem to care at all about facts these days.

[garfios]

I did do a search in both YouTube and Google. Care to link the ones you're talking about? The ones that looked the most intentional that were trending on X look like an attempt at a hook that got caught on the forearm, and there was only one thing that was even remotely elbow like in the 4th round, and it was a missed punch. The ESPN team during the broadcast went back and searched too, and the one he claimed hit him in the 4th that he said did the damage was a missed right cross in the 5th, and Ramirez slammed his own face into the forearm himself on that. Then he gets caught by an uppercut. There was literally nothing else either round. That's another thing that bugs me about this narrative. He claims there were elbows in the 4th and nobody has been able to find even one. Punches, yes. Elbows, no. And the one in the fifth that makes contact is pretty clearly a missed punch and Ramirez himself moved into it.



Go back and watch Ramirez exclusively on those and tell me he's not making contact with the arms on the inside and holding them. If your hand gets pinned to your waist when you're trying to throw a hook, it will turn into an elbow strike. People can make things look very cut and dry by slowing things down on social media and cutting out the context. Personally, I'm not convinced yet, especially considering how few attempts there were, and in the first clip, you can tell nothing was close to his eye at all. If he got caught, it was on the chin. In the second, the only thing that hits him in the eye was the forearm, and an uppercut.

Here's the slow mo of the one in the 5th after Espinoza misses the right... You can clearly see Robeisy moving his head forward into the forearm, and the left elbow makes no contact.



That's standard technique to escape a pin, by the way. You can't just push off at the wrist because you're in a mechanically weak position relative to your opponent, who is using weight to hold your arm. So you flare your elbow to create a lever and rotate your body. Try it out with someone yourself. Have them put their weight on your arm and pin it to your body and see what works best to remove the pin. And it's not really considered dirty boxing because first, it's in response to a foul, and second, most of the time you wouldn't actually hit them in the head because it would be too low. Of course, if your opponent is ducking down low and is substantially shorter than you, then their head might naturally end up in line with the elbow. But I personally have yet to see any videos in which that might have happened.

Please feel free to share the videos you found that you think are cut and dry. Every one that I've seen has a legitimate alternate explanation that has a lot to do with what Ramirez was doing himself. If you've got another one, I will be happy to look.

-edit- also going to remind everyone that tall lanky fighters anatomically always elbow when punching on the inside. See Fundora v Tszyu for reference...

I just watched the links that you posted, if you're calling that attempts, you're a very nice person. Now, if you watch the second link you can see the elbow hitting right on the eye, remember that you're seeing the forearm, the elbow is below on Ramirez eye, maybe Salas was the one that broke his orbital while pouring water on his face. Fundora never threw the elbow, Tim was the one initiating the attack with his head and smashed his head against the elbow, espinoza had for all intend and purpose in landing the elbows, it was intentional not accidental, you have the proof on the links you posted, they're more clips and some of them in slow motion where you can see clearly, but there's none so blind as those who will not see.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

You're missing the right elbow, he threw the left elbow, which was not even a punch, and hit him with the right elbow on the inside, that one did the damage, and he complained to the referee, and yes your theory is sound about the left elbow and side of the head, now change the left with the right and see where it landed.

OK, I now see the right elbow you're talking about where he complained right after. I honestly can't say if it was the elbow or the forearm that connected but he did complain to the ref... It was a good fight up until Ramirez quit but I must say that Ramirez behaved like a gentleman during the post fight interview.

[garfios]

Just watched the rematch I’m its entirety. I only saw two elbows, both in the first round, and the ref issued a warning. The commentators spoke extensively about Espinoza’s elbows throughout the fight, but nothing was obvious in real time. Supposedly Ramirez took the telling elbow shot in the fifth; but no one saw it, including myself. Easy to say now, but Salas should’ve told the ref his charge had double-vision due to an elbow. No way that right hand to the eye caused the injury by itself. Really too bad; it was looking like an interesting fight — totally different from the first encounter.

This one shows the right elbow hitting the eye, but he was aiming with the elbow from the beginning.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

There did look to be an uppercut landed after, not to mention the flush punch that ended things. But there simply aren't elbows landing when he said they were. It's his health and career and he can do what he wants, but so far, from what I've seen, and a couple rewatches and going frame by frame, I don't see anything at all that is cut and dry enough for me to call the victory into question. Maybe if he hadn't quit immediately after a flush punch landed right **** on the area in question, I could buy it, but there were sufficient punches landed on that eye to justify the damage, and the details just don't line up with the claims. When the video team combs through the tape on broadcast and can't find anything but the one missed right hand and Robeisy smacking his own head into the forearm in any of the rounds that they're claiming elbows, it makes it harder for me to buy it. People love their little theories though, and don't seem to care at all about facts these days.

Thanks for those 2 links by the way, they were both helpful and the first link was the one I initially was referring to.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

This one shows the right elbow hitting the eye, but he was aiming with the elbow from the beginning.

safari can't seem to find the server. was really curious to view too.

[garfios]

There did look to be an uppercut landed after, not to mention the flush punch that ended things. But there simply aren't elbows landing when he said they were. It's his health and career and he can do what he wants, but so far, from what I've seen, and a couple rewatches and going frame by frame, I don't see anything at all that is cut and dry enough for me to call the victory into question. Maybe if he hadn't quit immediately after a flush punch landed right **** on the area in question, I could buy it, but there were sufficient punches landed on that eye to justify the damage, and the details just don't line up with the claims. When the video team combs through the tape on broadcast and can't find anything but the one missed right hand and Robeisy smacking his own head into the forearm in any of the rounds that they're claiming elbows, it makes it harder for me to buy it. People love their little theories though, and don't seem to care at all about facts these days.

That was a grazing blow and that didn't end the fight per said, at the end of the fifth he was telling Salas that he couldn't see, and it was hurting like hell, once that 5th round ended the battle was over.
"People love their little theories though, and don't seem to care at all about facts these days." Are you talking about yourself?

[CubanGuyNYC]

This one shows the right elbow hitting the eye, but he was aiming with the elbow from the beginning.

Link isn’t working. In the first round Espinoza chicken-winged an elbow. There was no legitimate reason for it. Just blatant dirtiness. The second looked like he was trying to create distance; but in view of his history, you have to wonder. I saw the replay shown by Boxeo Cubano on Facebook. It might be the moment you’re trying to show us. Ramirez was barely touched by anything through five rounds; then in the opening of the sixth, he took his cleanest shot of the fight and waved. It’s clear he was affected by something other than punches.

[garfios]

Link isn’t working. In the first round Espinoza chicken-winged an elbow. There was no legitimate reason for it. Just blatant dirtiness. The second looked like he was trying to create distance; but in view of his history, you have to wonder. I saw the replay shown by Boxeo Cubano on Facebook. It might be the moment you’re trying to show us. Ramirez was barely touched by anything through five rounds; then in the opening of the sixth, he took his cleanest shot of the fight and waved. It’s clear he was affected by something other than punches.

The guy was using the elbows from the get go, if you go to yt you can see clearly espinoza using his elbow throughout the fight, in the fifth he threw a combination just elbows, missing with the left and landing with the right, all in the same sequence, when the round was over you could heard Ramirez complaining to Salas. You know what? His reputation will take a hit with this antics.

[crimsonfalcon07]

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Here's right after he misses that cross. You can see he's clearly not aimed an elbow at all. I've attached photos after, so you can see how Robeisy comes forward into it, then he recoils the left and aims an uppercut. You can see the glove headed towards the head, and then Robeisy pulls out, so he aborts the uppercut. I've also included the link to the moment live.

I just watched the links that you posted, if you're calling that attempts, you're a very nice person. Now, if you watch the second link you can see the elbow hitting right on the eye, remember that you're seeing the forearm, the elbow is below on Ramirez eye, maybe Salas was the one that broke his orbital while pouring water on his face. Fundora never threw the elbow, Tim was the one initiating the attack with his head and smashed his head against the elbow, espinoza had for all intend and purpose in landing the elbows, it was intentional not accidental, you have the proof on the links you posted, they're more clips and some of them in slow motion where you can see clearly, but there's none so blind as those who will not see.

Way to ignore the explanations in favor of your pet theory. That second link is the slowed down version that highlights what happens in the 5th round. That's very obviously a missed right cross when you watch the whole moment. It's the same one from the second video on X. Ramirez smacked his own face into the arm. If he broke his orbital then, that's in no way a deliberate elbow. Then Espinoza attempts an uppercut, but Ramirez pulls back, and Espinoza aborts the uppercut. You can see the glove going right for where the head was. If you're hinging your theory on the strike in 5, I just don't see it, because he clearly missed a right cross and then an uppercut, and then Robeisy complains. Dave Greisman had a video of the moment on Fighting Words, and any notion that one was deliberate is highly dubious at best. As for his complaints about elbows in 4, nobody has found even one yet.



The guy who put up the slowed down version got absolutely dragged in the comments, and took it down, which is why the link doesn't work any more.