Comments Thread For: Artur Beterbiev beating Dmitry Bivol was no robbery

[IronDanHamza]

You are saying that in a close fight where you believe that your fighter is winning but you understand how terrible and corrupt judging is at times.....you would tell your fighter he is up and to play it safe?

At this point with the garbage judging, if I had a big puncher who had obviously won but it was the last round, I'd say go out and seal the deal, stop him.

I mean seriously?

No, that's not what I'm saying. Not sure why you're asking if that's what I'm saying when it's abundantly clear what I am saying.

No where in the post you quoted even mentioning anything you're talking about in your response.

So I suppose I'll offer you some further clarity by saying the same thing again;

Statement; "You should always fight as if you're down on the cards."

Response; "What a moronic thing to say"

That's what I'm saying.

[Theshotyoudontsee]

No, that's now what I'm saying. Not sure why you're asking if that's what I'm saying when it's abundantly clear what I am saying.

No where in the post you quoted even mentioning anything you're talking about in your response.

So I suppose I'll offer you some further clarity by saying the same thing again;

Statement; "You should always fight as if you're down on the cards."

Response; "What a moronic thing to say"

That's what I'm saying.

But he was obviously saying that pertaining to the context of this fight, as well as looking at the horrendous judging over the last few years.

Obviously if a guy has a few knockdowns and it is the last round, he need not fight as if he needs a KO.

But it is called hyperbolic language and situational context. You do understand that? I mean it is kind of moronic to not understand obvious linguistic contrivances in the context of the conversation.

[ELPacman]

Bivol can't beat Biev. He fought very scared.

If he wants to beat Biev, he will have to be aggressive. Meaning he will get stopped.

Fighting to not get ko'd at all costs lead to him losing. Bivol fans will say, well what else can he do??? And they are right. But they give respect to Bivol for surviving, while at the same time without meaning to, they are saying Biev is too strong, too good and that all a guy can do is survive by running.

It is not the amateurs. Come to win or lose. Bivol is a good boxer, but he just fought scared. While Biev was chasing him and busting his face up, while also boxing extremely well and landing much harder shots.

Bivol just lost. IMO he is a good fighter but nothing special. He has always been good, not great. When you design your entire strategy around running and pitty pat flurries to try and steal rounds, it is obvious.

Well, I noticed this as well, but in those pitty pat rounds early on, he was doing more than Artur to at least bank them. I normally hate that type of fighting, but it was working until Artur really starting coming on. You can also tell that Bivol would have not won the if he decided to trade with Artur in every round. I think his goal was to bank rds early, get brave occasionally and exchange (which he did), realize he wasn't the stronger guy and back off. Almost to test Artur as well and see if he could give Artur as good as he gives back. Obviously Artur proved, it wouldn't be wise to trade with him each rd. Then Bivol reverted to movements with the occasional combinations that didn't appear to bother Artur at all.

[M312]

What's wild is the 10/10 round for round 7. 740+ people voted and it's split on that round 9.52/9.48 Beterbiev (when it's that close, it averages to 10/10) so a lot of people didn't know if it was Bivol's big combo, or Beterbiev hurting him off that combo and stalking him down after won the round.

Crazy close fight. I personally had it 116-112 Beterbiev, but when I heard the 116-112 card, I assumed Bivol won just because he has the more pleasing style. But one thing to consider if you've never been to a Beterbiev fight live, is how LOUD his punches are. That would definitely sway the ringside judges, because it sounds like every shot hurts like ****.

I just can't see how the guy missing 80% punches is rewarded for throwing and missing, while the guy dodging/blocking 80% of the punches, and landing far more often and cleaner is not winning the rounds.

It was pretty masterful, but I guess output and pressure is important too, even if missing.
I prefer the cleaner punching and defensive skill personally, but hey, clearly its 50/50 in that regard.

[IronDanHamza]

But he was obviously saying that pertaining to the context of this fight, as well as looking at the horrendous judging over the last few years.

Obviously if a guy has a few knockdowns and it is the last round, he need not fight as if he needs a KO.

But it is called hyperbolic language and situational context. You do understand that? I mean it is kind of moronic to not understand obvious linguistic contrivances in the context of the conversation.

No, it was literally not in the context of this fight.

He said, and I'll quote it again; "You should always fight as if you're down on the cards." Totally separate from this fight. Key word being "always" there.

That is an idiotic statement. And you've confirmed that with your own words in your second sentence.

[Tatabanya]

Though this fight had been somewhat simplistically reduced to a style matchup between classic boxer vs puncher, that really wasn't how the fight played out, because Bivol isn't really the slickest of pure boxers.

If anything, the fight demonstrated that Beterbiev is the better all-around fighter of the two. People haven't realized yet how many layers of technical finesse Beterbiev applies in his pressure - BESIDES hitting like fùck. Not to mention his splendidly economical footwork.

[thack]

A decent case has been made for both as there's fair points coming from both arguments, unfortunately there was no Uysk/Fury round 9 to seal the deal , only a rematch can hopefully do that , and there's not a person out there who can't wait, everyone can agree on that..!

[BrankoB]

Fair dos. I'm surprised, but that's a pretty decent sample size.

After the fight it was 114-114 but over the last few days it has drifted to 115-114 so a few more Beterbiev fans have jumped on to publish their scores. Regardless of what we all think, it shows a very close fight that deserves a rematch. All the talk, arguments and counterarguments are not going to change anybody's mind. Clearly we all prefer different style of boxing and score it subjectively based on what we like and are not willing to listen to anybody else's point of view.

One thing I can say is that neither fighter managed to really assert themselves and completely impose their style on the other. They both had to settle for a compromise and adjust mid fight because their opponent would not let them fight their usual fight. Bivol had to cover up more and punch less to make sure he is not hurt and taken out by Beterbiev's power and Beterbiev had to accept being countered quite often and cleanly and keep walking forward and throwing punches even though he was not always landing cleanly and hurting his opponent. They both admitted they could not do everything they planned.

Who wins the rematch? Who knows? Depends on who is able to make more adjustments in the second fight, but I suspect another close fight.

[morph_resurrected]

It absolutely cannot be considered a robbery because it was a close and competitive fight.

In a bout that had so many close and competitive rounds, you’re going to have very wide scorecards amongst viewers.

[_Rexy_]

I just can't see how the guy missing 80% punches is rewarded for throwing and missing, while the guy dodging/blocking 80% of the punches, and landing far more often and cleaner is not winning the rounds.

It was pretty masterful, but I guess output and pressure is important too, even if missing.
I prefer the cleaner punching and defensive skill personally, but hey, clearly its 50/50 in that regard.

Because he wasn't dodging 80% of them, he was getting pounded on his guard with many shots getting in, going long stretches at a time doing nothing but backing up.