Comments Thread For: Eddie Hearn believes Devin Haney's lawsuit against Ryan Garcia could be 'a pivotal moment for the sport'

[mjh1969]

No matter how much money Devin Haney gets from this lawsuit, that a$$ whipping he got from Garcia cannot be forgotten or erased. Fighters may be less likely to fight Haney now because of this stuff going on. Haney will certainly lose a lot of respect amongst his peers. Haney didn't suffer brain damage, a broken eye socket or anything like that. His feelings were hurt after the a$$ whipping but that's about it.

[pnut901]

Wow, and I thought Joey Gamache was a crook but it is a tale of two different lawsuits. It is up to Commission to punish a fighter for a positive test, and not a courtroom, or a losing fighter. When Fernando Vargas was using De La Hoya went out, and knocked him out. No excuses, no courtroom drama, and none of that non sense

I don't know why you would consider Joey Gamache a crook. Are you at all familiar with the case ?

DeLaHoya didn't know that Vargas was on PEDS pre fight. This is a totally different matter where one fighter cheated and arguably won because of it. Losing that fight not only hurt Haney physically in the ring , but he could have future health complications, it also destroyed his standing in the sport , future
opportunities, and greatly diminished his paychecks going forward. Boxing is a sport and a business. Garcia , by cheating, greatly damaged the business of being Devin Haney.

[BrankoB]

This lawsuit is a joke.Eddie Hearn says a lot of BS it’s hilarious. The matchrroom USA takeover…DAZN was gonna take over boxing…Conor eggs saga…etc etc…now trying to say this lawsuit means anything for the sport lmao. The lawsuit won’t make it out of first circuit and Haney and co will be on the hook for all the lawyer fees. It’s so short sighted and hilarious because after lawyer fees bill is gonna be eating mR noodles again when he sees Devins next fight purse ROFL

Because of the astronomical legal fees involved and a difficult burden of proof, I think is is highly likely that Haney's will abandon this course of action. It might take them a little while until the first couple of legal bills arrive and then they will likely reconsider the situation.

There is another option. Perhaps Haney's don't really want to go to court but are fishing for a negotiated settlement. I have only sued two people in my life but in both cases I had a solid, virtually bullet proof case. However, all attempts at settlement failed until the other party realised that I was serious and pressed for legal action. Once the court documents were filed, we settled quickly and easily. The other party just needed to know I was serious and was not going to let them off the hook.

So in this case I believe it will depend on how strong the case is in the first place. I am Australian and don't know anything about the American legal system so I have no idea if this case is solid or flimsy.

[pollywog]

No you’re just an idiot lol. My wife is an immigration lawyer any contract like you are stating is basically unenforceable as to multiple ways out. The onus is on proving that the person knowingly to PEDS and that’s never happened unless the person admitted to it

Your wife is the lawyer, you're just the dïck she married. Of course the contract would be enforceable if both parties agreed and signed beforehand.

[billeau2]

Devon keep showing the effects of that punch. No way this goes anywhere. I had to think about it but that's my opinion. No way he proves Ryan didn't take by accident. And battery in a boxing match? Wasn't it Cus stated that homicide is legal in a boxing ring?

Bill and Devin have worn off their welcome long ago. People will pay to see Devon, but not for his boxing ability so much as the next time he gets slept. Everyone will be looking for that crash and boom.

[Verus]

The same guy who let Whyte enter the ring against Rivas fully knowing he’d failed a drug test and then tried the exact same de****able act with Benn and Eubank Jr.

Good post! A promoter is a hypocrite? Tell me it ain't so!

[Blond Beast]

What bothers me more is judges never agreeing on the same rounds. Two judges ruling a draw the media always act like they agreed but when they scored most of the rounds different it shows they did not! With even rounds frowned upon I think it causes a big problem, 10-8 ( no knockdown ) rounds frowned upon I think it causes a problem.
Also low blows happen all the time and sometimes they are missed completely or there’s no consistency on when to take a point. Id rather fight a guy on gear than get nailed low repeatedly. Also headbutts that cause cuts are always just “bad luck”. Still there are fighters that lean in with their heads and butt people more from their own actions. Hard to be as good with a cut, though they are great at stopping bleeding these days at the highest level. Refs making bad calls, having bad nights. There’s so many other factors in boxing that I wish we could get more consistency on. Taking a banned substance is cheating but low blows, headbutts, clinching, scores all over the place, they all have a major effect too. Heck you wear your kidney protector as high as you want. Is there a size limit? Thickness limit? Material limit? There’s no set ring size. You can make your opponent wait for twenty minutes in the ring while some dancers and rapper lip synch. People take fingers in the eyes all the time in mma. You get criticized if you don’t want to continue. Nobody wants you to act like it’s a big deal or it affected the fight. I just wish all the other inconsistencies in boxing got tightened up.

[The D3vil]

Hopefully, this catches on.

[Doubledagger]

Yeah but they have to prove that he didn't take it by accident wouldn't they? I mean if they found a paper trail that show deliberation that would certainly be proof undoubtedly. I'm just wondering if they can assume his motive even in a civil case, simply because the drug helps the condition.

So on a balance of probabilities what is the probability that he accidentally ingested the substance? I'm not saying whether I think that's so or not...

The probability that he ingested it by accident is extremely low.

It’s almost to the point one has to be an utter gullible fool to believe that.

It’s extremely low not only because, as we already established, because the ped directly aids the condition that he was struggling with, but this dude is even on tape saying he doesn’t even take supplements, but all of a sudden after getting caught with peds in his system, he blames a contaminated supplement.

So he’s also a liar then, because if he doesn’t take supplements, then how can a contaminated supplement be the cause of his positive ped test?

[Doubledagger]

As a fan of CLR Bruce Rivers I know this is a good take but regarding the "fraud" part, would the contract stipulations people are mentioning also be classed as admissible evidence in such a civil case?

Also, regarding the PED's, is it possible that the fact of boxers having big teams which contain people who are trusted to administer supplements etc could actually swing the Judge towards giving Garcia the benefit of the doubt (given that the lawsuit only names Garcia & GBP)?

I get where you are coming from, and I think that this is where the quality of your lawyer comes into play.

Either lawyer can swing that in their favour. It’s how good he or she is that often decides these matters.

For Devin for example, that is even more evidence in his favour.

These so called experts you hired gave you a contaminated supplement without knowing?

They are supposed to be the experts and they are supposed to be the ones that do their research.

It make more sense for Ryan to mistakenly take a contaminated supplement if he doesn’t have a team of experts and just makes the decisions himself than it does if he has a team of experts on the field administering the supplements.

They would know better.

But then again, if he doesn’t have a team of experts or didn’t consult with one, Haney can still swing it in his favour and just point out that either Ryan purposefully took peds or negligently took peds by not consulting with an expert prior to taking the supplement.

Either way it depends on the lawyer.

Ryan’s lawyer will for sure have his own counter arguments.

However, me personally, Ryan Garcia aside, I don’t believe that the reasons should even be a factor.

In other sports, like for instance Football (soccer), they don’t even ask for your reasons.

It doesn’t matter to them why it’s there or how it got there. You’re a pro athlete, it’s your responsibility to ensure it’s not in your system.

They ban you irrespective of your reasons and they ban you even if you’re just late for a ped test or didn’t pitch up for one.

They don’t play these games that one of the most dangerous sports in the world is seemingly playing