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Square circle you are absolutely wrong haney did not fight through the rankings, he has not even fought a legitimate lightweight in the top 10 or top 15!!! Zaur don't count zaur was moved to the #7 by crooked saliaman with a record of 11-0 to be fed to haney so it could said that haney fought a top 10!! Daiz was a ****ing featherweight the most a super featherweight it was very obvious by diaz size!!! Haney was given a ****ing gift by crooked saliaman!!! Haney potential remains to be seen when he actually fights a legitimate top 10 lightweight!! Anybody who believes that haney is a true bonfifed world champion !!! Is full of **** right along with the wbc! Right along with your comment!!! Facts are facts!!
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Originally posted by MeanestNiceGuy View PostJust move up since you're struggling to make the weight like you said. He just wants to be "considered" Undisputed but hasn't done much of anything at 135. Say what you want about Teo but he at least chased a title, got the fight and beat Commey for the IBF then went straight after Loma.
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Originally posted by Squared.Circle View Post
I think you're missing the point; Haney didn't just "call out Loma", he fought through the WBC rankings to get himself into a mandatory slot to specifically go after Loma. When he got that mandatory slot with his interim title win, he was then told "soz, but no, you can't fight Loma, but we'll upgrade you to full champion in your next fight instead".
The fact that he was interim champion, with a supposed guaranteed shot at the full champion, makes his intent undoubted, and makes any criticism of "he's an email champ that's full of bravado" an utterly dim criticism routed in nothing but fandom.
No bravado. No clout chasing. He was there before López, but Haney was denied the opportunity.
And speak to me like an adult....I don't say or adhere to crap like "clout chasing" and "cap" or any of that other urban hogwash. Y'all know damn well NOBODY wants to see an unknown fighter in against a Unified Champion in Lomachenko at that time.
I didn't know the concern for belts was such a big deal nowadays, but some of you have thrown your cape on and took off soaring! Business is business and everybody knows Haney/Lomachenko was NOT big business....it wasn't business AT ALL. Haney couldn't hold a candle to any of Loma's past opponents and I know for sure he would've slowed down the Loma train with his lack of notoriety.
Haney isn't big business at all and you know it.
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Originally posted by Rodtang View Post
Did Haney actively purse Loma? Yes. Did he go on to win a final eliminator to become mandatory? Yes. Did Loma look to fufill that mandatory? No. Did Loma become franchise champion? Yes. Did Devin Haney request that Loma become franchise champion, so that he didn't have to fight Loma? No. Did Top Rank request Loma become franchise champion, in order to avoid Haney, so that he could fight Lopez? Yes. Did Top Rank try the correct procedural route to circumvent Haney, by filing for exemption to fight Lopez ( this being the way it's done, without paying step aside, before any Damn franchise title existed )? No. Did Haney ask for any of that to happen so he could get his title by e-mail. No. Haney does not deserve the disrespect and ridicule. People don't have to like him. But that doesn't give people the right to put him down for no reason. And that truly is the truth of the matter. In a nutshell.
I'm so glad promoters and managers don't do business off the backs of internet geniuses and so on....the sport would be just as bad as a lot of you make it out to be. And since when did everybody become so concerned about belts???
You idiots....Arum and Loma didn't AVOID Haney....they simply took on a bigger challenge in Teo and nobody gave a flying **** about Devin Haney once the Loma/Teo fight was announced and I know that to be a FACT! Boxing fans have short memories and looooong lists of demands....neither of the two belong together.
Again....nooooobody gave a flying rat's ass about Devin Haney when Lomachenko/Lopez was announced and from what I understand....most were calling it "for the Undisputed crown" and nobody mentioned Devin like that. We just knew Teo and his dad talked A LOT of crap, Sr. predicted the fight to happen and they won...now as soon as he loses, we want to fire of the Haney crap again. Most of yall wrote him off after he got rocked by a shot Linares but now he "deserves" a shot at Undisputed?! FOH!
And I can "disrespect" and "ridicule" (your words not mine) Haney or any fighter....I'll show you my cable bill and list of subscriptions to prove it. You need to focus on the task at hand and stop trying to defend Devin- he doesn't need it from you or anybody. This is why you're failing to point out the only thing that matters in the sport....marketability and numbers.
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Originally posted by no.1P4P View Post
WHERE DID YOU COME FROM? .... straight off the bat you stuck your foot in your mouth. Haney beat Abdullaev in the WBC eliminator (Loma the WBC, WBO and WBA champ) he become the mandatory and immediately called on Loma to make it happen in the post fight ring interview. Loma did what? ..... he immediately vacated the WBC retaining the WBO and WBA. So what do you know that Loma doesnt?
You all still aren't making sense here...why would Loma vacate the WBC title to avoid an unknown featherfist in Haney to take on a young, hungry, hard-hitting, marketable, CHAMPION in Lopez?
Half of y'all are going hard for a dude that fights on an app....an app that hardly anybody watches unless AJ headlines a fight or other more marketable fighters are the main event. Tell me what Devin's viewership numbers are on DAZN and tell me how it stacked up Loma vs Teo numbers on ESPN....which were 4.2M views.
Fellas....I'm ONLY talking business here. It's boxing and we know how these things go so why lose sleep over defending Haney when we ALL know the Lomachenko fight probably would've been a dud or not Loma's best numbers.
For instance....Devin Haney fought this past Saturday night while Martin Lawrence (of all comedians) had a TOUR show in Vegas....Devin didn't get the attendance he deserved because of bad business moves. Ellerbe mentioned this last weekend. Now....look at Loma...he's fighting this weekend....IMMEDIATELY after the Heisman Trophy Ceremony, so he's going to get the tail-end of those viewers to tune into his fight. BIG business.
Again, Haney's team is losing because they aren't as business savvy or forward-thinking as most of you are making him out to be. Hell, Teo vs Commey was scheduled on the same night as the Hesiman Trophy Ceremony back in 2019....and this was a TITLE fight for "the big one" (Lomachenko) had Teo taken care of business. He did.
Guys...keep it on a business level so you wont be disappointed or fighting for a team that clearly doesn't seem to know how to do business with others.
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Originally posted by MMegatron View PostAll these pr1ck5 think "undisputed" means having all the belts. It doesn't. It is when you have beaten all your credible threats convincingly enough for no-one to dispute you are the best. Fuc41ng marketers.
shalom.
im kinda well known
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Originally posted by MeanestNiceGuy View Post
I'm not gonna break my neck to explain business to you Haney Hopefuls....it's simply a waste of time. How many guys have we seen "pursue" a title, become the mandatory and actually get the fight due to "business" (e.g., rival promoters, rival networks, lack of notoriety, fighter doesn't bring anything to the table, etc.)?
I'm so glad promoters and managers don't do business off the backs of internet geniuses and so on....the sport would be just as bad as a lot of you make it out to be. And since when did everybody become so concerned about belts???
You idiots....Arum and Loma didn't AVOID Haney....they simply took on a bigger challenge in Teo and nobody gave a flying **** about Devin Haney once the Loma/Teo fight was announced and I know that to be a FACT! Boxing fans have short memories and looooong lists of demands....neither of the two belong together.
Again....nooooobody gave a flying rat's ass about Devin Haney when Lomachenko/Lopez was announced and from what I understand....most were calling it "for the Undisputed crown" and nobody mentioned Devin like that. We just knew Teo and his dad talked A LOT of crap, Sr. predicted the fight to happen and they won...now as soon as he loses, we want to fire of the Haney crap again. Most of yall wrote him off after he got rocked by a shot Linares but now he "deserves" a shot at Undisputed?! FOH!
And I can "disrespect" and "ridicule" (your words not mine) Haney or any fighter....I'll show you my cable bill and list of subscriptions to prove it. You need to focus on the task at hand and stop trying to defend Devin- he doesn't need it from you or anybody. This is why you're failing to point out the only thing that matters in the sport....marketability and numbers.
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Originally posted by Rodtang View Post
They took a bigger challenge, I've already agreed with that. Trying to keep pushing thing's I've agreed with you on certainly doesn't make you a genius. It's how they got to that challenge that's part of the issue. Check in my last post the part about filing for exemption. If you know anything about boxing you'll understand why the franchise stunt was a **** move. But clearly the proper reading of text and the understanding it, is also making you lack in the genius department. And given that I agreed he took a bigger challenge and avoided Haney,even a fool can see then that Haney did not ask for getting the title the way he did and the treatment he has received since then. But if you reach the status of fool then it'll probably be as close to genius as you'll ever get. Stay lucky.
You should've just STFU after we BOTH agreed on the fact that Loma took on a bigger challenge than Haney....and went on to garner 4.2M views and so on. Show me Devin's DAZN numbers. That's always the bottom line in boxing. Y'all talk Haney up so much but can't wrap your feeble ass minds around the fact that he ISN'T the hot ticket you're making him out to be at the negotiations table.
Everybody and their mama knew a 21 year old, untested, and unknown Haney had ZERO shot at Loma regarding marketability. See, this is what drives the sport....money and marketability...something YOU should know as a boxing fan.
If a guy's unknown but is in line as the mandatory, he won't have much of a chance landing the fight if the champion has bigger, better options in site. This is why guys are paid step-aside money and so on. Stay with me.
If Loma's not this big attraction then he should've been eye-level with Haney in regards to popularity and that fight would've been made already. Guys....nooooobody knew who Haney was back in 2019 when his name was being mentioned in the same sentence as Loma. He had a nice KO highlight reel from his fight on DAZN, but that's just not enough bro. You know this.
Loma took on Lopez and lost- his choice. Why can't you see that Lopez was the bigger ticket than that of a Haney at that time? Bro, Teo did exactly what Team Loma said....go get a title first then we'll fight. He kept his word and yall so nostalgic about that fight. Again, no mention of Haney at that time.
You've started with the ad hominem madness and the cowardly exit of "stay lucky" so I'll let you run off. It's not like I was ever speaking to you to begin with anyway.
PS: Go learn the sport! The minute you have to depend on sanctioning bodies to make fights happen, it's a clear indication that you're not as big of a ticket as you claim to be. When you're paid and you're the attraction, the sanctioning bodies hunt you down to create belts to keep the fighter in their good graces. It all comes down to the money. Haney brings money to himself, not the situation itself. There's a difference.Last edited by MeanestNiceGuy; 12-09-2021, 02:41 PM.
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