Comments Thread For: Haney: Most Important Fight For Me Is George Kambosos, To Become Undisputed Champion

[tokon]

Possibly, but more likely WBO order Kambosos vs Loma

I've lost track tbh, which sanctioning body would be next in the mandatory rotation?

[MeanestNiceGuy]

I have no issue with Teo fighting for the IBF title. Fantastic win for him, and then naturally he went for Loma and deserved his win there. I've not criticised Teo at all. I'm simply saying Haney does not deserve the disrespect he has received, as it was not his fault that he did not fight for his belt. He done everything necessary to fight for his belt but was denied his shot. It is Loma who is responsible, not Haney. If Haney had done what Ryan Garcia then done, by becoming mandatory and then avoiding the Champ, then you would have a valid point. But he didn't do that. Haney aggressively pursued Loma. He made it no secret he was after Loma several fights before his final eliminator. Then he won that eliminator. What part of that then says he deserves to be avoided at that point? No part. He was denied the opportunity he deserved and then has been ridiculed since. I'm not denying he didn't win in the ring. But it was not what he asked for, so does not deserve disrespect. That's just the truth of it.

Ah....I like how you ended it with "That's just the truth of it" which ISN'T truth at all....it's YOUR truth and your truth only.

Thing is, we SHOULD be discussing Teo because, unlike Haney, he did the actual WORK to get what he got. You can't bring up "undisputed' and title wins without mentioning him. You're doing exactly what Haney's doing....he wants us to overlook what's happened in the division while gaslighting us into thinking he deserves a shot at Undisputed.

And I won't buy the whole, "He called x, y, and z out this many times" when we've ALL seen guys call out guys for clout but they'd rather face somebody that doesn't pose a threat. Most guys are okay with hanging their hats on the fact that they verbalized interest in certain fights....but NONE of that translates to negotiations, etc.

You have to come better than that. Simply saying Devin called out Loma and Loma ducked him is an illusion and I should've stopped typing once I read that from your end. Jermall Charlo was elevated as WBC Middleweight champion and he catches flack as well. Haney's no different so stop crying about him being "disrespected."

Again, this is a guy (Devin) who KNOWS the world doesn't know who he is and he thinks he's about to scoop up "Undisputed" status then leave the division?! If he's gonna do all of that then just move up and get out of the way already.

I see right through these guys and I'm wondering why you struggle so much with the reality of the situation. NOBODY ducked Haney....they just declined for the same reason he's catching hell now....because NOBODY knows him. He makes great money for fights, he has all the cars, houses, ***elry, clothes, women, etc., that any man could ask for, but that doesn't translate to him having a stellar career thus far.

We saw the stuff with Floyd when he was coming up but he fought one guy after another and kept at it until he was able to really strike the iron! Devin's appearance spells "accomplished" but his ring activity and contribution to sport has yet to translate.

[DaNeutral.]

All these pr1ck5 think "undisputed" means having all the belts. It doesn't. It is when you have beaten all your credible threats convincingly enough for no-one to dispute you are the best. Fuc41ng marketers.

Lol you sound like a hater who knows a fighter you hate is 1 win away from becoming undisputed. If he fights and beats Kambosos you can call him what ever you like, all the official channels will call him undisputed, all documents will confirm he is undisputed.

[JLC]

I have no issue with Teo fighting for the IBF title. Fantastic win for him, and then naturally he went for Loma and deserved his win there. I've not criticised Teo at all. I'm simply saying Haney does not deserve the disrespect he has received, as it was not his fault that he did not fight for his belt. He done everything necessary to fight for his belt but was denied his shot. It is Loma who is responsible, not Haney. If Haney had done what Ryan Garcia then done, by becoming mandatory and then avoiding the Champ, then you would have a valid point. But he didn't do that. Haney aggressively pursued Loma. He made it no secret he was after Loma several fights before his final eliminator. Then he won that eliminator. What part of that then says he deserves to be avoided at that point? No part. He was denied the opportunity he deserved and then has been ridiculed since. I'm not denying he didn't win in the ring. But it was not what he asked for, so does not deserve disrespect. That's just the truth of it.

i agree with this 100 percent.

And to go further, fights with Fortuna and Garcia have also fallen through for reasons that aren’t Haney’s. He has put in a solid effort to secure decent fights, so can’t fault him for it.

also can’t give him credit for fights he hasn’t secured, no matter the reason (which is what you’re stating here).

I don’t consider what Loma did DUCKING Haney. You don’t duck Haney to fight Teo. Teo is the better fighter and bigger challenge of the two. Loma went for a full unification against a better fighter. Such is life.

Haneys resume still sucks though. And he is super boring. The most boring fighter at 135.

[Squared.Circle]

All these pr1ck5 think "undisputed" means having all the belts. It doesn't. It is when you have beaten all your credible threats convincingly enough for no-one to dispute you are the best. Fuc41ng marketers.

Unfortunately, by the definition of "undisputed champion", one must hold all of the universally-recognised major (and primary) world titles. Is Kambosos (and previously, López) considered the number-one-ranked lightweight in the world...indisputably? Of course. But is he the "undisputed champion"? Nope. And what the WBC says is irrelevant.

[Rodtang]

I've lost track tbh, which sanctioning body would be next in the mandatory rotation?

Well I'm not sure to be honest. But Arum will definitely pressure the WBO I feel. I'm not sure the WBA will rush into anything. Their doing this title consolidation process. So if they stay consistent, Davis should be ordered to fight Romero with the winner fighting Kambosos. But with Rolly all is up in the air so who knows.

[Rodtang]

i agree with this 100 percent.

And to go further, fights with Fortuna and Garcia have also fallen through for reasons that aren’t Haney’s. He has put in a solid effort to secure decent fights, so can’t fault him for it.

also can’t give him credit for fights he hasn’t secured, no matter the reason (which is what you’re stating here).

I don’t consider what Loma did DUCKING Haney. You don’t duck Haney to fight Teo. Teo is the better fighter and bigger challenge of the two. Loma went for a full unification against a better fighter. Such is life.

Haneys resume still sucks though. And he is super boring. The most boring fighter at 135.

I don't like the term ducking and try not to use it, but it pretty much sums up loma's actions. Or more accurately the actions of his promoters. But he pays them and didn't put a stop to it, so no pass for him there. Sure Teo was the bigger fight, but he still avoided Haney, and I just get fed up seeing him take criticism he doesn't deserve. If people don't like him fine. If someone thinks he's boring, pillow fisted and chinny, that's fine. I might not agree with some of that but can respect people's opinions. But I can't respect people slating the guy with disrespect he doesnt deserve, over circumstances he couldn't control.

[Squared.Circle]

Ah....I like how you ended it with "That's just the truth of it" which ISN'T truth at all....it's YOUR truth and your truth only.

Thing is, we SHOULD be discussing Teo because, unlike Haney, he did the actual WORK to get what he got. You can't bring up "undisputed' and title wins without mentioning him. You're doing exactly what Haney's doing....he wants us to overlook what's happened in the division while gaslighting us into thinking he deserves a shot at Undisputed.

And I won't buy the whole, "He called x, y, and z out this many times" when we've ALL seen guys call out guys for clout but they'd rather face somebody that doesn't pose a threat. Most guys are okay with hanging their hats on the fact that they verbalized interest in certain fights....but NONE of that translates to negotiations, etc.

You have to come better than that. Simply saying Devin called out Loma and Loma ducked him is an illusion and I should've stopped typing once I read that from your end. Jermall Charlo was elevated as WBC Middleweight champion and he catches flack as well. Haney's no different so stop crying about him being "disrespected."

Again, this is a guy (Devin) who KNOWS the world doesn't know who he is and he thinks he's about to scoop up "Undisputed" status then leave the division?! If he's gonna do all of that then just move up and get out of the way already.

I see right through these guys and I'm wondering why you struggle so much with the reality of the situation. NOBODY ducked Haney....they just declined for the same reason he's catching hell now....because NOBODY knows him. He makes great money for fights, he has all the cars, houses, ***elry, clothes, women, etc., that any man could ask for, but that doesn't translate to him having a stellar career thus far.

We saw the stuff with Floyd when he was coming up but he fought one guy after another and kept at it until he was able to really strike the iron! Devin's appearance spells "accomplished" but his ring activity and contribution to sport has yet to translate.

I think you're missing the point; Haney didn't just "call out Loma", he fought through the WBC rankings to get himself into a mandatory slot to specifically go after Loma. When he got that mandatory slot with his interim title win, he was then told "soz, but no, you can't fight Loma, but we'll upgrade you to full champion in your next fight instead".

The fact that he was interim champion, with a supposed guaranteed shot at the full champion, makes his intent undoubted, and makes any criticism of "he's an email champ that's full of bravado" an utterly dim criticism routed in nothing but fandom.

No bravado. No clout chasing. He was there before López, but Haney was denied the opportunity.

[Boxfan83]

Haney is as fragile as he is skilled. He literally gets shaken by any solid punch landed. Ive never really seen that at such a high level. I wonder if turning pro so young and sparring at a high level at a young age has anything to do with it.

Anyways, Haney is very good at winning rds but the beauty of boxing is 1 punch can change it all. Anyone with a little above average handspeed & pop has a great chance against him. I favor old George by late stoppage.

[Rodtang]

Ah....I like how you ended it with "That's just the truth of it" which ISN'T truth at all....it's YOUR truth and your truth only.

Thing is, we SHOULD be discussing Teo because, unlike Haney, he did the actual WORK to get what he got. You can't bring up "undisputed' and title wins without mentioning him. You're doing exactly what Haney's doing....he wants us to overlook what's happened in the division while gaslighting us into thinking he deserves a shot at Undisputed.

And I won't buy the whole, "He called x, y, and z out this many times" when we've ALL seen guys call out guys for clout but they'd rather face somebody that doesn't pose a threat. Most guys are okay with hanging their hats on the fact that they verbalized interest in certain fights....but NONE of that translates to negotiations, etc.

You have to come better than that. Simply saying Devin called out Loma and Loma ducked him is an illusion and I should've stopped typing once I read that from your end. Jermall Charlo was elevated as WBC Middleweight champion and he catches flack as well. Haney's no different so stop crying about him being "disrespected."

Again, this is a guy (Devin) who KNOWS the world doesn't know who he is and he thinks he's about to scoop up "Undisputed" status then leave the division?! If he's gonna do all of that then just move up and get out of the way already.

I see right through these guys and I'm wondering why you struggle so much with the reality of the situation. NOBODY ducked Haney....they just declined for the same reason he's catching hell now....because NOBODY knows him. He makes great money for fights, he has all the cars, houses, ***elry, clothes, women, etc., that any man could ask for, but that doesn't translate to him having a stellar career thus far.

We saw the stuff with Floyd when he was coming up but he fought one guy after another and kept at it until he was able to really strike the iron! Devin's appearance spells "accomplished" but his ring activity and contribution to sport has yet to translate.

Did Haney actively purse Loma? Yes. Did he go on to win a final eliminator to become mandatory? Yes. Did Loma look to fufill that mandatory? No. Did Loma become franchise champion? Yes. Did Devin Haney request that Loma become franchise champion, so that he didn't have to fight Loma? No. Did Top Rank request Loma become franchise champion, in order to avoid Haney, so that he could fight Lopez? Yes. Did Top Rank try the correct procedural route to circumvent Haney, by filing for exemption to fight Lopez ( this being the way it's done, without paying step aside, before any Damn franchise title existed )? No. Did Haney ask for any of that to happen so he could get his title by e-mail. No. Haney does not deserve the disrespect and ridicule. People don't have to like him. But that doesn't give people the right to put him down for no reason. And that truly is the truth of the matter. In a nutshell.