How "Past it" was Roy Jones Jr in his last fight?

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[QUOTE=hookoutofhell;4588978]bloody hell, now i know what they mean by NSB and the low IQ.

if you really need me to spell it out here goes: i meant that it would have taken the fight out of him when you're 39 years old and you just get dominated and UD'd then maybe you have to take a long hard serious look at yourself and wonder just how much more you have left to give.

You are admitting Jones is shot but at the same time you make excuses for his performance. Maybe Jones didn't have any fight in him at 39 and that is the reason he was a stationary target who just plodded forward with his gloves up getting tagged by shots he wouldn't of been hit with in his prime. Calzaghe did take a long hard look at Jones and then said " A fight with Roy would be pointless as he has nothing left after his losses to Tarver and Johnson" These are Joe's own words on the subject.

once hed lost to johnson and tarver he was still recovering from the HW quest and could look to that as a reason/excuse, he was also till quite young and had time to mount another challenge.

By another challenge do you mean fighting an even less active Trinidad and failing to even take him out?

oh and bsrizpac i just mentioned a couple of reasons why i dont think hes a complete goner, alot of his camp seemed quite confident that he could do well as well. his trainers and partners were saying that he seemed to be getting back into the groove that he was before the other big fights he was in. believe it or not how shot a fighter is can be based on how they look in the fight, in the build up to a fight e.g. DLH, tarver.

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24/7's job is to hype the fight. Of course his camp is going to hype him. What are they going to say...you are going to ****ing lose Roy?

Uh okay.

Well here's the bottom line: the guy was CRUSHED in 04. Remember that year. What year did he fight Joe in (almost 09). How many times was he CRUSHED? Who did he fight since then?

That's all you need to know. Shot, kaput. Done. You can infer whatever you want to try to make Joe look better. Bottom line, Roy was done and anyone with a brain should have known it.

im a joe fan but im not a joe nuthugger by any means, imo joes win against RJJ was probably about the same footing as his win over a prime robin reid.

but this thread is about RJJ, you wanna talk about calzaghe then fine theres plenty of other threads.

imo RJJ did look as good as a 39 yr old RJJ, who had recently been up to HW and recently had been KTFO could have possibly looked. yes it is 24/7's job to hype the fight but imo alot of fans on these boards were saying that he looked somewhere back to his best. in the first 3/4 rounds he also showed glimpses of some of the same flashy combo's and handspeed.

after that he became a human ragdoll and joe did pretty much what he wanted to him.

[Kris Silver]

Opinions and poll were not so far in favour of Roy being that past it or shot pre Calzaghe. Funny that. Even in his losses, no one out boxed and out classed Roy Jones quite like Calzaghe did over 12 rounds.

Roy was considerably past it, but clearly not completely shot. So the 50% of folk voting completely shot is quite laughable really. I voted 50% past it which is still poss too much, perhaps 40%.

Be intrigued to see Reed's post on this, because Reed we know damn well you said Roy wasn't as past it as many thought pre Calzaghe.

A good amount of people also said Roy would be competitve with folks like Taylor.

[bsrizpac]

im a joe fan but im not a joe nuthugger by any means, imo joes win against RJJ was probably about the same footing as his win over a prime robin reid.

but this thread is about RJJ, you wanna talk about calzaghe then fine theres plenty of other threads.

imo RJJ did look as good as a 39 yr old RJJ, who had recently been up to HW and recently had been KTFO could have possibly looked. yes it is 24/7's job to hype the fight but imo alot of fans on these boards were saying that he looked somewhere back to his best. in the first 3/4 rounds he also showed glimpses of some of the same flashy combo's and handspeed.

after that he became a human ragdoll and joe did pretty much what he wanted to him.

Umm recently been to heavyweight? Like in March 03. The joe Roy fighter happened in DECEMBER 08.

Flashy combos and handspeed? Methinks you need to rewatch that fight. Check out Roy's feet from round 1 on. That should tell you the entire story. In fact, check out his fight against Prince abbobobobobobobbobo, he's got no legs there either.

So he looked as good as he could have looked? That's your whole point? Uh okay. So he's a shot 39 and he looked cut and as in shape as he could be. WOHOOO. Clearly this means we should debate how shot he was cause he trained hard.

Another note: Just because a bunch of idiots thought he'd win cause they hate Joe or manlove Roy doesn't mean he wasn't shot.

Logic doesn't work this way.

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Joe Calzaghe had a tougher time against Bika .. that should end this debate..

[bsrizpac]

Opinions and poll were not so far in favour of Roy being that past it or shot pre Calzaghe. Funny that. Even in his losses, no one out boxed and out classed Roy Jones quite like Calzaghe did over 12 rounds.

Roy was considerably past it, but clearly not completely shot. So the 50% of folk voting completely shot is quite laughable really. I voted 50% past it which is still poss too much, perhaps 40%.

Be intrigued to see Reed's post on this, because Reed we know damn well you said Roy wasn't as past it as many thought pre Calzaghe.

A good amount of people also said Roy would be competitve with folks like Taylor.

Yeah "funny that". Good thing logic works this way. If a bunch of jackasses say something wrong loudly a bunch of times before something happens that is contrary to what they said, it must mean that EVERYONE thought like those jackasses and what those jackasses were saying was obviously a fact.

Of course YOU would say 40 percent, because you are a nuthugger.

I guess you missed the fight like 3 years before where Roy QUIT for 10 rounds against a Tarver that was just ****ing around. Yeah that wasn't embarrassing.

Maybe you missed his 9 round outboxing and beating by Glen Johnson.

Maybe you missed the 2nd Round KO.

What years did those happen in?


The highlighted portions really cement nuthugger status.

[bsrizpac]

Joe Calzaghe had a tougher time against Bika .. that should end this debate..

Bika > Prime RJJ. Obviously.

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Joe Calzaghe had a tougher time against Bika .. that should end this debate..

Truth.com /thread

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Bika > Prime RJJ. Obviously.

No, I didn't say that... A prime RJJ would have destroyed the BIKA that fought JC.. the fact That JC struggled with Bika.. But basically Blew RJJ away shows how far RJJ has fallen from his prime..

[bsrizpac]

No, I didn't say that... A prime RJJ would have destroyed the BIKA that fought JC.. the fact That JC struggled with Bika.. But basically Blew RJJ away shows how far RJJ has fallen from his prime..

I was being sarcastic. I agreed with your initial point. It was spot on.