FLoyD FaNs vs. CoTTo FaNs vs. FLoyD HaTers: LET'S CLEAR THE AIR !!!!!!

[Horus]

First off, I'd like to say good points made! I want to see this fight ASAP but you made some excellent points about how it would be better for this fight to happen later on.

I'm amazed at how few people even read any part of your thread and then started talking ****! I read the whole thread and nobody really had any valid arguments against what you said. They just said it was too long to read and blah blah, I don't have to read it....

It's like some of these people are programed with a few blanket statements that they keep in the vault. When they see a thread like this they up their post counts by dropping....

"Floyd is afraid of (insert boxer name)"
"Floyd is a *****"
"Floyd ****ed my mother" ect. ect. ect...

Man I already Know These haterz live to hate...
I cant blame them though they just want their boy to be in the spotlight toO soon without taking on any Young Prime Active p4p Fighters That's all....

Who is Cotto's Deigo Corralles ...?
Who is Cotto's Castillo..?
Who is Cotto's Hatton..?

All those fighters were young in their prime p4p and some even undefeated....and they were all RISK.Floyd is in his 4th weight Class right now, What weight class is this for cotto..? with WBC belts in each class

Where is Cotto's RISK fights..?


Cotto is not TOP 5 p4p caliber yet....
Because he is not fighting TOP P4P Caliber fighters

Cotto fights all Medium RISK - Medium Reward fighters

COtto Fanz = impatient children

I think they are worry that their boy might get expose if he dares to be great

And Fight Somebody Who is a young p4p caliber fighter...

[Lazy Liberal]

[QUOTE=steptwome;3330324]

I THINK IT'S TIME FOR All SIDES TO AIR OUT THEIR DIFFERENCES....

TO WHY THIS FIGHT EITHER MAKE SENSE RIGHT NOW OR DOESNT MAKE SENSE RIGHT NOW...

I know soMe of you guys Don’t Like reading that Much So I turn this thread into 3 parts....So pick one of the Parts and read and respond...




Here is The Quote from one Floyd Fan:



To Elaborate on this Further:

I want to say this before I start...

My Name is Horus and I am a Floyd FaN

Although I do think Cotto is a good Fighter and would beat Most People..
I just think he is overHyped.. and I think Mainly as Soon as Mayweather beats Him people will say Cotto was a bum all along and discredit another one of Floyds victories...

Thats why i think Cotto should Beat the rest of the WW champions which is going to be 2 people after Apirl12th before he fights Floyd so there can be no doubts that he was the man Floyd had to beat to Solidify His Legacy....

Because Right Now if Floyd fights Cotto and wins they are going to say well he gotta fight Margarito,Quintania,Williams,Mosely,Berto, and so on to be considered Great.. and none of those fighters are great so really if Floyd fights Cotto right now and wins he will never be truly A All time great in your eyes because he didnt have great competition to fight against unlike

Sugar Ray Lenard who had Hearns, and Hagler
Ali who had Frazior and Foreman
Julio Ceasar Chavez Who had Taylor and Hector Camacho

Floyd only Has Corralles and Castillo really as amazing Victories
but floyd needs one more to Make him An All time Top 10 Fighter..

Floyd needs Cotto to become Great So Floyd can truly be Considered Great..

Or this will Never End...

I think Floyd is great already but he can never be consider truly a legend unless he beats another Great Fighter who everybody thinks was Just as great as Floyd was at the time or close to Floyd...

So if Floyd is going to retired like he says... Why Not retired Right after beating Cotto ..and the Cotto i want him to beat is a Cotto with all the Belts except Floyds belt..

And that would be a great Fight.....

That's the Kinda Fight Where Fighters really leave everything on the line to become the Undisputed Champion of the Division...and in Floyd's Case One of the 10 greatest Fighters of All time...

That's the kinda Fight That the Cotto vs. Mayweather Fight Should BE..


Now To my Thread....

1ST PART:

I have come to the Conclusion that Cotto Fans and Floyd Haters just don’t want to hear This....
I have being Stating Facts like this for Months and all they see in Cotto is that "Cotto" is the next person who the public thinks can possible beat Floyd...but their is one problem with this
They don’t even actually think that cotto can really beat Floyd...you will get a Selective few who believe it but not a majority...

That's what Makes Fights Great when both Sides think their Guy can win...
Right Now nobody really believes Cotto can Beat Floyd

They think Cotto can give Floyd a good Match but they do not think and believe He can actually beat Floyd,

Even the most hardcore Cotto fans will say if Floyd runs and boxes Cotto. Cotto will lose... They think the only way Floyd can lose is if Cotto can cut off the ring and Pressure Floyd..

Ask yourself this question
Has Floyd ever lost a fight where somebody did that....??

The answer is "No"

2ND PART:

*But it shouldn’t be that way, they should think No matter what Cotto will win...And right Now Cotto is not at the point where people actually think cotto can win...

*In Floyds Last 2 fights With Ricky Hatton and Oscar De La Hoya you had over 4 million people buying P.P.V at $59.95
Because they believe that their guy can actually beat Floyd

*That kind of belief is not with Cotto right now, they think Cotto can give Floyd a good fight but they do not Believe Cotto can Win...

3 Elements are needed for a Great Fight
1. Both Fighters Must Have a Huge Fan Base
2. Both Fighters Fans must believe that their fighter can win
3. Casual Fans must want to see the fight because they believe that both fighters can lose

And those 3 Elements are Not there with Cotto


*That's why I 100% agree with the statement that Cotto must win very impressive in his next 2 fights to convince more people he can actually beat Mayweather.

*Because Floyd’s stock is so high right now
That people are not going to buy a fight which they think Floyd is just going win another boring fight... They want to see Floyd actually get beat...

example:

Floyd vs. Oscar 2
(i dont think it is going to sell like it did last time because everybody thinks floyd is going to win again easy...)

Same with Cotto

*And Not enough People believe Cotto can actually Beat Floyd
and the causal fans don’t even know who cotto is, so you know they don’t think he can beat Floyd...

3RD PART:

While Floyd vs. Cotto right now will be a good Fight
(i would like too see it)
It wouldn’t be as big as Hatton and De La Hoya and
it wouldnt be as Great as it could of been if Cotto would have gotten to 2 other belts


Floyd vs. Hatton Numbers:2.5 Million P.P.V Combined
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Floyd vs. De La Hoya Numbers: 2.15 P.P.V Combined

Floyd is Spoiled Now, He is not fighting in anything less than Events from now on....and his last 2 fights have been Events to not just the Boxing World but for the Sport and Entertainment world...

Look how much Promoting Floyd had to do for the Hatton FIGHT....
"Dancing with the Stars"

Look what he is doing for the next De La Hoya Fight
"WrestleMania"

Now what do you think he is going to have to do for the Cotto fight if he chooses to fight him right now...
"American Idol"...???

Sorry Cotto Fans,
Floyd is not going to do anything special for the Cotto and Arum to build this fight

Floyd is expecting Cotto and Arum to do something Special to build this fight Simply because he does not like Arum ..

And that something Special is Getting those other 2 belts..!!!

Cotto is not a Draw outside of Boxing Yet so he has no choice but to get those belts to fight Floyd or become a mainstream Attraction...And Floyd knows Cotto doesnt have a personality so the only option Cotto has is to become GREAT. and get those 2 belts.!!!...

This is what I have been trying to say forever...
Cotto Stock isnt high enough to really convince Floyd and the Public that this could be a big event...

The Logic:

It's like this

Cotto need to build his name up without Floyd

Before he can even he can begin negotiations with Floyd...



It more like saying you want to bet me some money on a fight but when I ask where is the money you want to bet me, you say I will show you the money after the fight...???

And naturally I tell you no show me the money right now or no bet....
and we end up not betting because you didnt have the money.

The point is Cotto doesnt have the money to bet...

And You can’t begin negotiations unless you have something to negotiate with....!

And Cotto doesnt have enough to negotiate with...
Not more than De La Hoya
Not More than Hatton (Country vs. Country)
Not More than Pacqiao (Country vs. Country) (P4p vs. P4p)

Cotto needs to raise his Stock.... Period.!!

or

How about this, How about cotto fight Floyd for the same money he fought Mosely so floyd can make THe same money he made fighting Hatton...Since Cotto is not a marketable fighter yet outside of New York..??

that would be about around a 70-30 Split....[/QUOTE

.......You said a mouthfull , nonetheless, you're points are valid..... And if the AVID BOXING FANS don't understand this scenario then they are not TRUE FANS of the fight game.

Floyd only Has Corralles and Castillo really as amazing Victories
but floyd needs one more to Make him An All time Top 10 Fighter..

So, If Floyd has another Amazing victory, just one more, he will be All time Top ten of all time? Castillo and Corrales were great figters but not fighters that you point to in order to make and argument for all time status.Why do peolple continue with this nonsense? Floyd is undefeated , but that does not translate to all time top 10 of all time. If you like Floyd, fine, I respect him also, but i won't fall for that he's all time top 10 if hes has another amazing victory bull****. That would equal 3 "Amazing" victories, Plenty of fighters in the history of this sport can make the argument that they also had 3 Amazing victories, thus making their own argument for all time top 10 of all time.

[Horus]

If the AVID BOXING FANS don't understand this scenario then they are not TRUE FANS of the fight game

I already know.. They dont know **** about boxing...
They should just stick hating, it's what they are good it...

Because they know i am right when i say...

But they rATHer hear Pretty lies, than the Ugly Truth..!!

Floyd vs. Cotto

Although I do think Cotto is a good Fighter and would beat Most People..
I just think he is overHyped.. and I think Mainly as Soon as Mayweather beats Him people will say Cotto was a bum all along and discredit another one of Floyds victories...

Thats why i think Cotto should Beat the rest of the WW champions which is going to be 2 people after Apirl12th before he fights Floyd so there can be no doubts that he was the man Floyd had to beat to Solidify His Legacy....

Because Right Now if Floyd fights Cotto and wins they are going to say well he gotta fight Margarito,Quintania,Williams,Mosely,Berto, and so on to be considered Great.. and none of those fighters are great so really if Floyd fights Cotto right now and wins he will never be truly A All time great in your eyes because he didnt have great competition to fight against unlike

Sugar Ray Lenard who had Hearns, and Hagler
Ali who had Frazior and Foreman
Julio Ceasar Chavez Who had Taylor and Hector Camacho

Floyd only Has Corralles and Castillo really as amazing Victories
but floyd needs one more to Make him An All time Top 10 Fighter..

Floyd needs Cotto to become Great So Floyd can truly be Considered Great..

Or this will Never End...

I think Floyd is great already but he can never be consider truly a legend unless he beats another Great Fighter who everybody thinks was Just as great as Floyd was at the time or close to Floyd...

So if Floyd is going to retired like he says... Why Not retired Right after beating Cotto ..and the Cotto i want him to beat is a Cotto with all the Belts except Floyds belt..

And that would be a great Fight.....

That's the Kinda Fight Where Fighters really leave everything on the line to become the Undisputed Champion of the Division...and in Floyd's Case One of the 10 greatest Fighters of All time...

That's the kinda Fight That the Cotto vs. Mayweather Fight Should BE..

Not Cotto with One belt, and Best win is against an Old Mosley..
it's too much to hate if that Happen..!!

[Horus]

That's right. If Cotto was Mexican, this fight might have been made before Hatton.

your probably right, because i think mexicans are probably more die hard fans then ricans... at least the one's i know..!!

[cortdawg25]

So i take it, you're happy with watching Floyd take on both Oscar and Hatton AGAIN before Cotto?

I'm happy with Floyd fighting period. I don't care who it is. if anything I'm mad that he only fights once a yr.

I just don't see cotto has that huge of threat. he's good but he doesn't do anything that would give Floyd problems and he doesn't do any particular skill better than Floyd. All he has is size really. If Floyd relied on KOs only, then he might have some problems, but Floyd is a masterful boxer!!

Bottom line is that there is always this supposed threat and yall get to running off at the typewriter talking as if Floyd is ducking somebody and scared. Then he fights them and make them look bad. And then yall come up with another threat and cycle just keeps repeating. Floyd has fought for the right to fight when he wants for the $$$ he wants. I can't be mad at that, he's earned it.

[2501]

I'm happy with Floyd fighting period. I don't care who it is. if anything I'm mad that he only fights once a yr.

this is what gets me about Floyd fans. "I dont care who Floyd fights as long as i get to see him fight"

you're basically admitting that you dont care if Floyd fights the slowest, dumbest human being on earth as long as you get to see it. And then you continue to declare him the greatest fighter on earth after he wins. makes no sense.

[cortdawg25]

this is what gets me about Floyd fans. "I dont care who Floyd fights as long as i get to see him fight"

you're basically admitting that you dont care if Floyd fights the slowest, dumbest human being on earth as long as you get to see it. And then you continue to declare him the greatest fighter on earth after he wins. makes no sense.

I declare him the greatest fighter right now based off what he has done and who he has beaten. yall act as if he aint fought nobody. You act as if he fights the dumbest slowest human beings. I'm a Floyd fan of course I wanna see him fight

[deevel79]

I'm happy with Floyd fighting period. I don't care who it is. if anything I'm mad that he only fights once a yr.

I just don't see cotto has that huge of threat. he's good but he doesn't do anything that would give Floyd problems and he doesn't do any particular skill better than Floyd. All he has is size really. If Floyd relied on KOs only, then he might have some problems, but Floyd is a masterful boxer!!

Bottom line is that there is always this supposed threat and yall get to running off at the typewriter talking as if Floyd is ducking somebody and scared. Then he fights them and make them look bad. And then yall come up with another threat and cycle just keeps repeating. Floyd has fought for the right to fight when he wants for the $$$ he wants. I can't be mad at that, he's earned it.

According to you, NO BOXER does any one thing better than Floyd. Does that mean Floyd shouldnt fight anyone, being that he is better than everybody pfp? What does Oscar or Hatton do better than Floyd, since u have no problem seeing those rematches?

[NYCHeavyHitz]

For everybody that likes Floyd, be a fan of BOXING first, not his "lifestyle, flashy" ****. That's really some girl, groupie ****. Everything that Floyd says don't mean it's right, and if you agree with ALL the decisions he's making right now, I can't take you serious as a boxing fan.

I mean, **** I'd respect him if he said, "I would love to fight Cotto right now, but I have some money to make.".

[2501]

I declare him the greatest fighter right now based off what he has done and who he has beaten. yall act as if he aint fought nobody. You act as if he fights the dumbest slowest human beings. I'm a Floyd fan of course I wanna see him fight

A fighter cant continue to be called the best active fighter if he doesnt keep fighting the best. His pre WW resume is off the charts. But since he's moved up, he's had a slightly above average resume for a fighter of his status.