Is Fury a top 10 all-time great?

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Maybe I am missing something? To me Fury handled Wallin well. He did not panick, and he won rounds. He had trained to win rounds, and saw this through and made adjustments as needed. He could not KO Wallin because he had not trained to do so.

I don't see this version of Fury as "better" rather, I see him as on a better horse course, than before... Fury has always shown tremendous boxing skills because he was trained from an early age, like they used to do it!

Did you miss Fury coming forward and attacking and leaning on Wilder to make him carry his weight? Along with throwing actual body punches?

That is a marked difference from the herky jerky feint-and-move boxer that Fury usually is.

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These are some of the fighters who get ranked in the top 10 by people.

Rid**** Bowe: Beat an undersized Holyfield and literally nobody else and ducked every other challenge.

-Mike Tyson: Never beat a HOF/Great fighter who was in his prime. Faced several who he lost to though.

-Wlad Klitschko: Only great win was against very undersized Byrd, and Fury beat Wlad.

Sonny Liston: Beat an undersized Patterson and some other good, not great opponents.

We can go further and look at Larry Holmes, his only great wins were a past it Norton and maybe Shavers? And he gets ranked top 3 at times. Jack Johnson beat a string of smaller fighters in his time and an old Jeffries. Others like Dempsey, Marciano and even Louis don't even have THAT amazing of a resume.

I think that Tyson Fury, a two time undisputed HW champion(in the 21st century mind you) with wins over prime Wlad and Wilder, stacks up pretty good.

The criteria to become an ATG HW isn't that difficult.

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These are some of the fighters who get ranked in the top 10 by people.

Rid**** Bowe: Beat an undersized Holyfield and literally nobody else and ducked every other challenge.

-Mike Tyson: Never beat a HOF/Great fighter who was in his prime. Faced several who he lost to though.

-Wlad Klitschko: Only great win was against very undersized Byrd, and Fury beat Wlad.

Sonny Liston: Beat an undersized Patterson and some other good, not great opponents.

We can go further and look at Larry Holmes, his only great wins were a past it Norton and maybe Shavers? And he gets ranked top 3 at times. Jack Johnson beat a string of smaller fighters in his time and an old Jeffries. Others like Dempsey, Marciano and even Louis don't even have THAT amazing of a resume.

I think that Tyson Fury, a two time undisputed HW champion(in the 21st century mind you) with wins over prime Wlad and Wilder, stacks up pretty good.

The criteria to become an ATG HW isn't that difficult.

- -BKM d u m. Easy worko

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Tyson Fury is a Top-25 Heavyweight.

He is outside the Top-10, but is somewhere in the top-25.

Wladimir Kiltschko is still ranked ahead of Tyson Fury.

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Did you miss Fury coming forward and attacking and leaning on Wilder to make him carry his weight? Along with throwing actual body punches?

That is a marked difference from the herky jerky feint-and-move boxer that Fury usually is.

Fury has a lot of skills he can use. He definitely fought Wilder differently...Most of it was where he put his weight on his shots. Fury leaned on cunningham, I.e. he has used his weight before...But there is no question that his trainer got him to understand how to tilt more forward and (probably) how to step in sychronicity with the shot.

I like his new approach as well... Just thought he fought Wallin well. Fury also used body punches in the past.

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These are some of the fighters who get ranked in the top 10 by people.

Rid**** Bowe: Beat an undersized Holyfield and literally nobody else and ducked every other challenge.

-Mike Tyson: Never beat a HOF/Great fighter who was in his prime. Faced several who he lost to though.

-Wlad Klitschko: Only great win was against very undersized Byrd, and Fury beat Wlad.

Sonny Liston: Beat an undersized Patterson and some other good, not great opponents.

We can go further and look at Larry Holmes, his only great wins were a past it Norton and maybe Shavers? And he gets ranked top 3 at times. Jack Johnson beat a string of smaller fighters in his time and an old Jeffries. Others like Dempsey, Marciano and even Louis don't even have THAT amazing of a resume.

I think that Tyson Fury, a two time undisputed HW champion(in the 21st century mind you) with wins over prime Wlad and Wilder, stacks up pretty good.

The criteria to become an ATG HW isn't that difficult.

Definitely thnk this is a valid point. I am glad someone else is mentioning it. Its not a rub against other heavy weights... so much as the recognition that when we look carefully most great heavies were not fighting other great heavies a lot.

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Fury has a lot of skills he can use. He definitely fought Wilder differently...Most of it was where he put his weight on his shots. Fury leaned on cunningham, I.e. he has used his weight before...But there is no question that his trainer got him to understand how to tilt more forward and (probably) how to step in sychronicity with the shot.

I like his new approach as well... Just thought he fought Wallin well. Fury also used body punches in the past.

That's part of what has impressed me about Fury.

He is a huge man who can move and box. Against Wilder he showed he could sit down on his punches as well.

He is a remarkably versatile and intelligent heavyweight.

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That's part of what has impresses me about Fury.

He is a huge man who can move and box. Against Wilder he showed he could sit down on his punches as well.

He is a remarkably versatile and intelligent heavyweight.

Absolutely. I think it did him very well to train to sit down on his shots. Very talented...very trainable.

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He's an All Time Great but without no title defenses is he top 10 ? No. I think he would be the champion in other eras to but he would still need some title defense to be a top 10 ,hes the most talented 6'9 footer so maybe though ? Id say no ,he needs to defend a title at least once, its crazy I don't recall a great fighter like him not having a title defense ,is there ?

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- -Today's pantywaist fans don't need no stinkin' defenses.

Just posterboys for their boudoir.