Jeffries vs Foreman

[butterfly1964]

ever seen foreman-lyle? enough said. foreman takes out jeffries in about 3 rounds. jeffries strength is overrated cause of the smaller opponents he fought, and his power is overrated because of the small gloves he used. foreman would jump all over him and beat him down like the racist coward he was worse than jack johnson kicked his ***got ass!

[LondonRingRules]

=====foreman would jump all over him and beat him down like the racist coward he was worse than jack johnson kicked his ***got ass!========

** Kid, that box a day of Count Chockula has warped your noggin something fierce. Jeffries fought all the credible black contenders of his day from the gitgo, something Johnson was not talented enough to accomplish when he started off, in his prime, or when he finished up.

Try some Cheerios without the sugar.

[butterfly1964]

=====foreman would jump all over him and beat him down like the racist coward he was worse than jack johnson kicked his ***got ass!========

** Kid, that box a day of Count Chockula has warped your noggin something fierce. Jeffries fought all the credible black contenders of his day from the gitgo, something Johnson was not talented enough to accomplish when he started off, in his prime, or when he finished up.

Try some Cheerios without the sugar.

be quiet, jeffries wouldn't do jack to foreman. foreman would brutalize that racist piece of ****!

[tommyhearns804]

This may be a biased view but I would have to go with Foreman. I say biased because like everyone else here i have never seen Jefferies fight. He lost to Jack Johnson granted Johnson was in his prime and Jefferies was in anything but his prime. I woul still go with Foreman.

Foreman Vs. Marciano?

Marciano. Marciano does well against power hitters and is one of the most powerful ever himself. Marciano would take Foremans hits and deliever his own, then in later round Marciano would dominate. Marciano stanima is much better.

Typical racist ****** garbage.What 220 plus pound puncher did Marciano ever face?Maricano taking Foremans punches?Right kind of like he did Archie Moores right?If a natural 160 pound man like Moore who was at least 45 could floor Marciano with one shot then any 220 pound man who could punch from Foreman to Mike Tyson would blow him away in one round.
And Foreman only got tired in 2 out of his 81 fights which means he had pretty damn good stamina period.No fighter who fought Marciano even thought he was strong for a guy his own size.Moore said Durelle punched harder and since he fought them both i will take his word for it.Charles and Walcott were both knocked out alot quicker by other fighters.Maricano hit's as hard as the true heavyweights who came along after him?Only in your dreams boy.

I know I'm in the minority; but I just don't feel Foreman had an advantage on Jeffries skill-wise. Foreman, in his prime, was the epitome of a crude but powerful slugger. Jeffries, from the footage I've seen, was no wiz; but he had skill. Now,if you take into account the skill that Foreman showed in his second career then, yes...he would either be on par or even have the advantage; but young George..I just don't see it. He was just so damn powerful that he steamrolled guys.

You know why you don't see Foreman being more skilled?Because you are mildly ******ed that is why.Fighters from that era at heavyweight weren't really that skilled.And you never even seen any of Jeffries fights to began with besides the fight with Johnson.Johnson was about 190 pounds out powered him.You can give me this bull crap about him not being in his prime but neither was Foreman when he came back after a 10 year lay off.He was well over 300 pounds before coming back and name one fighter who showed they were his equal in strength?
Foreman didnt use his jab much?Do you watch boxing or do people just tell you about it?Foreman used his jab all the time just like every other heavyweight who is good and who is around 6'4 or taller.The only fights in didnt use his jab much was in the Ali fight and Young fight and he lost both as you know.Foreman only winged wild punches going for a ko in the Ali fight.Foreman knocked out so many people because he was so damn powerful.
There isn't much footage of any heavyweight of the early 1900's K-Dogg and what is there shows all heavyweights just throwing one punch at a time and holding.Don't bring up smaller fighters because we are talking Jefferies a heavyweight.You really have no clue how durable he is because i believe he only had about 20 or so fights and he never had to face somebody coming to take his head off like lets say a prime Frazier Foreman did.
You boxing knowledge is childish at best.You have made no rational logical points and because of that you get ignored bye bye.Foreman still destroys any heavyweight before Liston with easy and 90 percent of the ones since Liston.

[butterfly1964]

This may be a biased view but I would have to go with Foreman. I say biased because like everyone else here i have never seen Jefferies fight. He lost to Jack Johnson granted Johnson was in his prime and Jefferies was in anything but his prime. I woul still go with Foreman.

Foreman Vs. Marciano?

Marciano. Marciano does well against power hitters and is one of the most powerful ever himself. Marciano would take Foremans hits and deliever his own, then in later round Marciano would dominate. Marciano stanima is much better.

Typical racist ****** garbage.What 220 plus pound puncher did Marciano ever face?Maricano taking Foremans punches?Right kind of like he did Archie Moores right?If a natural 160 pound man like Moore who was at least 45 could floor Marciano with one shot then any 220 pound man who could punch from Foreman to Mike Tyson would blow him away in one round.
And Foreman only got tired in 2 out of his 81 fights which means he had pretty damn good stamina period.No fighter who fought Marciano even thought he was strong for a guy his own size.Moore said Durelle punched harder and since he fought them both i will take his word for it.Charles and Walcott were both knocked out alot quicker by other fighters.Maricano hit's as hard as the true heavyweights who came along after him?Only in your dreams boy.

I know I'm in the minority; but I just don't feel Foreman had an advantage on Jeffries skill-wise. Foreman, in his prime, was the epitome of a crude but powerful slugger. Jeffries, from the footage I've seen, was no wiz; but he had skill. Now,if you take into account the skill that Foreman showed in his second career then, yes...he would either be on par or even have the advantage; but young George..I just don't see it. He was just so damn powerful that he steamrolled guys.

You know why you don't see Foreman being more skilled?Because you are mildly ******ed that is why.Fighters from that era at heavyweight weren't really that skilled.And you never even seen any of Jeffries fights to began with besides the fight with Johnson.Johnson was about 190 pounds out powered him.You can give me this bull crap about him not being in his prime but neither was Foreman when he came back after a 10 year lay off.He was well over 300 pounds before coming back and name one fighter who showed they were his equal in strength?
Foreman didnt use his jab much?Do you watch boxing or do people just tell you about it?Foreman used his jab all the time just like every other heavyweight who is good and who is around 6'4 or taller.The only fights in didnt use his jab much was in the Ali fight and Young fight and he lost both as you know.Foreman only winged wild punches going for a ko in the Ali fight.Foreman knocked out so many people because he was so damn powerful.
There isn't much footage of any heavyweight of the early 1900's K-Dogg and what is there shows all heavyweights just throwing one punch at a time and holding.Don't bring up smaller fighters because we are talking Jefferies a heavyweight.You really have no clue how durable he is because i believe he only had about 20 or so fights and he never had to face somebody coming to take his head off like lets say a prime Frazier Foreman did.
You boxing knowledge is childish at best.You have made no rational logical points and because of that you get ignored bye bye.Foreman still destroys any heavyweight before Liston with easy and 90 percent of the ones since Liston.

most of this i agree with.

[hemichromis]

This may be a biased view but I would have to go with Foreman. I say biased because like everyone else here i have never seen Jefferies fight. He lost to Jack Johnson granted Johnson was in his prime and Jefferies was in anything but his prime. I woul still go with Foreman.

Foreman Vs. Marciano?

Marciano. Marciano does well against power hitters and is one of the most powerful ever himself. Marciano would take Foremans hits and deliever his own, then in later round Marciano would dominate. Marciano stanima is much better.

Typical racist ****** garbage.What 220 plus pound puncher did Marciano ever face?Maricano taking Foremans punches?Right kind of like he did Archie Moores right?If a natural 160 pound man like Moore who was at least 45 could floor Marciano with one shot then any 220 pound man who could punch from Foreman to Mike Tyson would blow him away in one round.
And Foreman only got tired in 2 out of his 81 fights which means he had pretty damn good stamina period.No fighter who fought Marciano even thought he was strong for a guy his own size.Moore said Durelle punched harder and since he fought them both i will take his word for it.Charles and Walcott were both knocked out alot quicker by other fighters.Maricano hit's as hard as the true heavyweights who came along after him?Only in your dreams boy.

I know I'm in the minority; but I just don't feel Foreman had an advantage on Jeffries skill-wise. Foreman, in his prime, was the epitome of a crude but powerful slugger. Jeffries, from the footage I've seen, was no wiz; but he had skill. Now,if you take into account the skill that Foreman showed in his second career then, yes...he would either be on par or even have the advantage; but young George..I just don't see it. He was just so damn powerful that he steamrolled guys.

You know why you don't see Foreman being more skilled?Because you are mildly ******ed that is why.Fighters from that era at heavyweight weren't really that skilled.And you never even seen any of Jeffries fights to began with besides the fight with Johnson.Johnson was about 190 pounds out powered him.You can give me this bull crap about him not being in his prime but neither was Foreman when he came back after a 10 year lay off.He was well over 300 pounds before coming back and name one fighter who showed they were his equal in strength?
Foreman didnt use his jab much?Do you watch boxing or do people just tell you about it?Foreman used his jab all the time just like every other heavyweight who is good and who is around 6'4 or taller.The only fights in didnt use his jab much was in the Ali fight and Young fight and he lost both as you know.Foreman only winged wild punches going for a ko in the Ali fight.Foreman knocked out so many people because he was so damn powerful.
There isn't much footage of any heavyweight of the early 1900's K-Dogg and what is there shows all heavyweights just throwing one punch at a time and holding.Don't bring up smaller fighters because we are talking Jefferies a heavyweight.You really have no clue how durable he is because i believe he only had about 20 or so fights and he never had to face somebody coming to take his head off like lets say a prime Frazier Foreman did.
You boxing knowledge is childish at best.You have made no rational logical points and because of that you get ignored bye bye.Foreman still destroys any heavyweight before Liston with easy and 90 percent of the ones since Liston.

foreman didn't use his jab much at all, everything else i agree with

[Southpaw Stinger]

foreman didn't use his jab much at all,

He used his jab more than you think, and it was very effective against Frazier.

[tommyhearns804]

hemichromis Thanks your opinion shows you know your boxing just as much as i do.But watch any of Foreman fights that lasted more than a few rounds and you will see he use this jab alot.There was no way he would use his jab as much as a Larry Holmes and there was no reason for him to when Foreman's fights were over so quickly.
Watch how Foreman used his jab against Frazier before he knocked him down(Once Foreman floored Frazier the next time he didn't really have to use his jab the rest of the fight).I am sure you noticed this too.Foreman would push fighters who got close to him away.From smaller guys to guys his size he pushed them all away from him.Why would he do this right?Because like most taller fighters he was better fighting you from the outside.Shorter guys like Tyson are the ones who are good at throwing short powerful punches.
Foreman needed you to be off a little so he could really land his best power punches and he did this by pushing them away first and then jabbing to keep them away.As i said though most of his fights ended so quickly you didn't have much time to see this.I believe at least 40 of Foremans knock outs came with in the first 3 rounds.There is no way in the world a Jefferies type fighter could handle a Foreman type fighter period but then you add in those little gloves?Jefferies would get killed.

[K-DOGG]

This may be a biased view but I would have to go with Foreman. I say biased because like everyone else here i have never seen Jefferies fight. He lost to Jack Johnson granted Johnson was in his prime and Jefferies was in anything but his prime. I woul still go with Foreman.

Foreman Vs. Marciano?

Marciano. Marciano does well against power hitters and is one of the most powerful ever himself. Marciano would take Foremans hits and deliever his own, then in later round Marciano would dominate. Marciano stanima is much better.

Typical racist ****** garbage.What 220 plus pound puncher did Marciano ever face?Maricano taking Foremans punches?Right kind of like he did Archie Moores right?If a natural 160 pound man like Moore who was at least 45 could floor Marciano with one shot then any 220 pound man who could punch from Foreman to Mike Tyson would blow him away in one round.
And Foreman only got tired in 2 out of his 81 fights which means he had pretty damn good stamina period.No fighter who fought Marciano even thought he was strong for a guy his own size.Moore said Durelle punched harder and since he fought them both i will take his word for it.Charles and Walcott were both knocked out alot quicker by other fighters.Maricano hit's as hard as the true heavyweights who came along after him?Only in your dreams boy.

I know I'm in the minority; but I just don't feel Foreman had an advantage on Jeffries skill-wise. Foreman, in his prime, was the epitome of a crude but powerful slugger. Jeffries, from the footage I've seen, was no wiz; but he had skill. Now,if you take into account the skill that Foreman showed in his second career then, yes...he would either be on par or even have the advantage; but young George..I just don't see it. He was just so damn powerful that he steamrolled guys.

You know why you don't see Foreman being more skilled?Because you are mildly ******ed that is why.Fighters from that era at heavyweight weren't really that skilled.And you never even seen any of Jeffries fights to began with besides the fight with Johnson.Johnson was about 190 pounds out powered him.You can give me this bull crap about him not being in his prime but neither was Foreman when he came back after a 10 year lay off.He was well over 300 pounds before coming back and name one fighter who showed they were his equal in strength?
Foreman didnt use his jab much?Do you watch boxing or do people just tell you about it?Foreman used his jab all the time just like every other heavyweight who is good and who is around 6'4 or taller.The only fights in didnt use his jab much was in the Ali fight and Young fight and he lost both as you know.Foreman only winged wild punches going for a ko in the Ali fight.Foreman knocked out so many people because he was so damn powerful.
There isn't much footage of any heavyweight of the early 1900's K-Dogg and what is there shows all heavyweights just throwing one punch at a time and holding.Don't bring up smaller fighters because we are talking Jefferies a heavyweight.You really have no clue how durable he is because i believe he only had about 20 or so fights and he never had to face somebody coming to take his head off like lets say a prime Frazier Foreman did.
You boxing knowledge is childish at best.You have made no rational logical points and because of that you get ignored bye bye.Foreman still destroys any heavyweight before Liston with easy and 90 percent of the ones since Liston.

Is that it? "I know you are but what am I?"

Get an argument or get over it.

I have seen footage of a prime Jeffries against Tom Sharkey...and he's a different animal from the shadow that faced off against Johnson in 1910. Any man that can go 25 rounds in the kind of heat he and Sharkey fought under at Coney island with a dislocated elbow (broke two of Shakey's ribs) deserves respect from any fight fan.

The problem is YOU and so many others are SO enamoured with the MYTH of Big George that you can't see the forrest for the trees. You can't respect any fighter who fought before your daddy was born because it is incomprehensible to YOU that any fighter before Muhammad Ali was worth a ****...especially a White fighter. Heaven forbid.

You have not proven anything to me other than Foreman is your god and that you are entirely too close minded to even consider the possibility that any man who was born and fought in another time, in another century was Man Enough to beat your god.

Here's a newsflash genius; men who lived in the 1800's were tougher than you or your daddy could ever be in your wildest dreams because times were tougher back then. There was no electricity, there were few luxuries, and they had to work harder than you ever had a nightmare about. These horrid conditions by today's standards meant that ONLY THE STRONG succeeded.

Is Foreman tough? Of course he is and only a moron would suggest that he wasn't. The Fifth Ward in Houston when Foreman grew up, to say nothing of now, was as harsh of an environment for a young man to grow up in as is conceivable. But do you honestly think that Jeffries grew up any easier in the late 1800's? Hypocrite.

Jeffries was every bit as tough as Foreman, every bit as strong as Foreman, had as good as a chin as Foreman, and had more stamina than Foreman ever showed. The punching power edge would go to George; but if this fight went beyond 5, Jeffries would be the favorite, given George's track record.

I don't care if you think Foreman would win...he could have. The fact is I don't KNOW, You don't KNOW, and NOBODY KNOWS. You can't tell me who's going to win between two modern level B fighters getting it on at a small club in some po-dunk town some where in BFE. What the hell makes you think you can forecast with anymore than a modest degree of speculation who would win between two fighters who fought more than 80 years apart?

You "certainty" as to Foreman's supremacy doesn't trouble me. It's your lace of openmindedness to the possibility that you don't really know...and that just because someone sees things that you can't seem to fathom, you discount their opionion with needless insults.

The fact of the matter is, neither of us know what would happen in this mythical showdown...we only have our views, and yours is no better than mine, to say nothing of hopelessly flawed due to ignorance. I've forgotten more about boxing history than you will ever know, son. Like it or not.

[Kid Achilles]

I mean even the smaller gloves theory has a drawback because it places a question mark under Foreman's chin. Jeffries was used to being hit by 4 oz gloves, we know he could take punishment from guys wearing them, and Foreman wasn't. Maybe under those conditions Foreman, who was hurt by several fighters who using bigger gloves, wouldn't have the chin everyone thinks.

You make it sound like the smaller gloves favor Foreman when they really favored Jeffries. Boxing has not gotten "better" since Jeffries time, it has only gotten different. You take the fight back to those times with Foreman fighting the same way he always did, mixed with his unfamiliarity in hitting and getting hit with smaller gloves, and one is hard pressed to find any advantage that Foreman possesses.