Manny Pacqiuao a Top 25 all time great??

[pacquia0]

First things first I don't follow those sports you used and secondly it's different sports so let's not relate them.

Someone may say Muhammad Ali is the greatest fighter of all time, and although I would strongly disagree with that, it still is a valid and reasonable argument.

Someone may say Manny Pacquiao is a top 25 all time great, and although you would strongly disagree with that, it still is a valid and reasonable argument.

Mulitple boxing trainers, writers, historians and fighters have all said this. Also there is footage to back up their opinion as well as the fact Pacquiao has made boxing history by setting records that will most likely never be matched.

[IronDanHamza]

Someone may say Manny Pacquiao is a top 25 all time great, and although you would strongly disagree with that, it still is a valid and reasonable argument.

Mulitple boxing trainers, writers, historians and fighters have all said this. Also there is footage to back up their opinion as well as the fact Pacquiao has made boxing history by setting records that will most likely never be matched.

But I don't see that as reasonable, atleast not as it stands.

Which legit historians have Pacquiao in the top 25 of all time? I genuinely haven't seen that.

Feel free to provide a link if you have one.

[StarshipTrooper]

But I don't see that as reasonable, atleast not as it stands.

Which legit historians have Pacquiao in the top 25 of all time? I genuinely haven't seen that.

Feel free to provide a link if you have one.

Freddie Roach-clip sed so so i must be true :allhail9:

[SBleeder]

Nolan Ryan still holds the record for the fastest pitch ever recorded, back in 1974.

You'd think with all the modern medicine (steroids), nutrition (Quarter Pounders), and exercise techniques (lifting weights for six hours a day and never working on your actual game) that this record would have been obliterated years ago.

[StarshipTrooper]

Nolan Ryan still holds the record for the fastest pitch ever recorded, back in 1974.

You'd think with all the modern medicine (steroids), nutrition (Quarter Pounders), and exercise techniques (lifting weights for six hours a day and never working on your actual game) that this record would have been obliterated years ago.

[GJC]

Thing is what I don't think us old timers are given credit for is we want to see a new great fighter. If I didn't I might as well curl up with my old tapes. Thing is for me I don't like to rate fighters in their historical perspective until they are over and the story is told and they have answered a few question marks. An example is Tyson who when he came on the scene I was calming a lot of people down. There were questions to ask.
Ok he can hit but can he take one?
He is quick compared with the guys he is fighting but what if he fights someone quicker?
What if he fights someone he isn't intimidated and who will try and get in his head?
Great going forward what about if he gets backed up? What if he can't knock the other guy out hows his stamina? What if it's not going well has he a plan B how's his heart? How is he getting in against a guy who can really fire out his jab and stick and move?
etc etc Tyson ticked some boxes and not others but thats the way I look on fighters

[Scott9945]

Nolan Ryan still holds the record for the fastest pitch ever recorded, back in 1974.

You'd think with all the modern medicine (steroids), nutrition (Quarter Pounders), and exercise techniques (lifting weights for six hours a day and never working on your actual game) that this record would have been obliterated years ago.

Aroldis Chapman set the record last week for throwing a pitch 106 mph.

[StarshipTrooper]

Aroldis Chapman set the record last week for throwing a pitch 106 mph.

From what I understand, though, it's disputed. Stay tuned to see if it sticks.

Poet

[pacquia0]

But I don't see that as reasonable, atleast not as it stands.

Which legit historians have Pacquiao in the top 25 of all time? I genuinely haven't seen that.

Feel free to provide a link if you have one.

Bert Sugar does.

Emmanuel Steward - he's the greatest of all time. He's the only modern fighter.... I mean Bernard Hopkins will go to the Hall of Fame, and De La Hoya will too, but none of them has accomplished what this man has. He's been in America for the last 8 or 9 years fighting the top in the business all the way up to the top welterweights, and been consistent in all of his fights. Even the one fight he lost, he still fought a great fight, and then came back and knocked him out in the next fight. Everybody that's been available to him, he's put forth great performances against. He's definitely an all time great. He's beyond Hall of Fame, he's an all time great with the Muhammad Ali's and the Ray Robinson's.

[IronDanHamza]

Bert Sugar does.

Emmanuel Steward - he's the greatest of all time. He's the only modern fighter.... I mean Bernard Hopkins will go to the Hall of Fame, and De La Hoya will too, but none of them has accomplished what this man has. He's been in America for the last 8 or 9 years fighting the top in the business all the way up to the top welterweights, and been consistent in all of his fights. Even the one fight he lost, he still fought a great fight, and then came back and knocked him out in the next fight. Everybody that's been available to him, he's put forth great performances against. He's definitely an all time great. He's beyond Hall of Fame, he's an all time great with the Muhammad Ali's and the Ray Robinson's.

Did I say Historian? Or LEGIT Historian? I'm quite sure I said legit Historian.

Therefore Bert "Shane Mosley is a master jabber" Sugar and Emmanuel "my only advice to my fighters is let your hands go" Steward just simply don't cut it.

Come back to me with a legit boxing historian who has Pacqiauo in thier Top 25 and I will accept it.