My Top Ten Greatest Heavyweight Champs Of All Time!

[Dirt E Gomez]

usually the era that's underrated the most is the current one. so in a couple of decades, this era will be more appreciated.

This era is garbage. Lewis and Holyfield were good ****, but now with both being retired (for all intensive purposes) this current HW scene is trash. Valuev and Hasim Rahman with belts?

[butterfly1964]

This era is garbage. Lewis and Holyfield were good ****, but now with both being retired (for all intensive purposes) this current HW scene is trash. Valuev and Hasim Rahman with belts?

but they gotta lose them the next time they fight though.

[Yogi]

hoiw do you think primo carnera won the title in the first place?

Well, I see Carnera muscling Jack Sharkey back against the ropes, and then loading up on & landing a big right uppercut that put Jack down for the count...

What do you see when you watch that fight, Butterfly?

[Dirt E Gomez]

but they gotta lose them the next time they fight though.

No way Valuev is losing his next fight... isn't it against Tommy Morrison or some horrible garbage like that... In Germany no less? And even if he loses it, then Toney will get Rahman's.... As great as a fighter Toney is in many HW division's past he wouldn't even be close to obtaining a belt.

[Yogi]

usually the era that's underrated the most is the current one. so in a couple of decades, this era will be more appreciated.

I've followed the Heavyweight division since I first started watching the sport 30 years ago, and this is as bad as it gets, Butterfly...Not by a little bit either.

[butterfly1964]

I've followed the Heavyweight division since I first started watching the sport 30 years ago, and this is as bad as it gets, Butterfly...Not by a little bit either.

well, maybe your right.

[Yogi]

well, maybe your right.

The one thing this current Heavyweight division lacks bigtime is that consensus hope for the future. Heck, even the maligned Heavyweight division 80's always had hope prevailing with some then-future prospects...whether it be the early 80's with Page, Cooney, Dokes, Thomas, etc, or the mid/late 80's with Tyson, Biggs, Tucker, etc. Plus that decade most always had a dominating champion sitting uptop of the division and giving the term "champion" & the division much credibilty...

Nowadays, it seems like every single one of the major prospects of the last couple of years are founded as flawed well before they reach the "top" of the division. And the title holders ...Looks pretty bare right now for both the present and the immediate future unfortunately.

[Kid Achilles]

It sure does suck. The best we can hope for is guys who are entertaining and who come to fight. Sultan Ibragimov may be the best thing the heavyweights have going for them. Let's hope that as questionable as his defense seems, his punch, workrate, and heart prevail and he beats some of the name fighters that are around now. I'd already favor Sultan over Valuev and Rahman at this point just based on how relentless an attacker he was against Whitaker. Haven't seen a guy punch with such bad intentions in awhile. He really digs deep with those shots to the body.

[Southpaw Stinger]

Fighter don't have personalities anymore. In a few years practically all heavyweights will be mindless gaint eastern europeans.

[Heckler]

That is the biggest **** sucking of Ali I've ever read. Ali admitted he was out on his feat several times during the fight... so 1 decent shot by Foreman would've ended it all. Every aspect of that fight leaned towards Ali's favor. The "controlling" of the fight in the ceneter of ring accounted for hardly any of the matchup so is basically irrelivant. He sat on the ropes, and let an angry, young, and dumb Foreman tire himself out in 100 degree heat.

Also, to suggest Foreman went on to beat nobodies is laughable and proves your boxing knowledge is limited to what is on the end of Ali's ****. Michael Moorer is regarded as (in most eyes) as the best southpaw heavyweight ever. Not to mention going on to beat Lyle, Young, and Frazier (for a 2nd time).

Im not an Ali nut-hugger at all... but you are a blinded Ali-hating *****. Ali was out on his feet? and, that happened to him multiple times against Frazier but he had the heart and the ability to deal with it. Center ring fighting accounted for enough of the match to convince me and alot of people that in Ali's prime when hes moving laterally and fluidly he would pick Foreman to pieces... he would not be on the ropes like he was in 74'. An angry foreman? Foreman always appeared angry in the ring and if there was a rematch in 74' his mentality wasn't going to immediately change. It took him a few years and the hiring of Gil Clancy for him to become a more controlled fighter, and this style didn't work as well for him and he was BEATEN by young. Lyle was nothing special and nor was young, how many top 10 lists do you see them in?... they aren't comparable to Ali at all. Young troubled Ali but that doesn't make him a great fighter, thats merely an example of styles making fights. He went on to beat, an old, battered, blind Joe Frazier after manila - they both left their best in the ring night. A relatively young Foreman beating that version of Frazier doesn't impress at all. Michael moorer? a glass chinned, solid but not great boxer who was knocked out by Tua? He beat holyfield... but thats all. 'Every aspect of that fight leaned towards Ali's favor' - thats because Ali was the more skilled, tougher, smarter fighter. If they did rematch in 74' what would big George do differently? boxing historians note that his newfound controlled style didn't work as well as his previous. Hes going to attack Ali on the ropes in a more controlled fashion? and get outpointed via Ali's counterpunching with superior speed? and outpointed via Ali's control of what center-ring action takes place?

Your argument is the ridiculous one, that Ali could only beat Foreman 1/100 times... and that 1% chance happened to occur in the only fight they had with Foreman at his peak? bull****

Im not an Ali-nuthugger. I acknowledge his flaws, he didn't know how to block a jab and he never worked the body. I still believe that he would beat any boxer 2/3 times from any time period in his 67' prime. And i acknowledge he could be beaten 1/3 times by the likes of holmes, frazier, and Joe Louis. But never George Foreman, 67' or 74.