My Top Ten Greatest Heavyweight Champs Of All Time!

[Yogi]

no sense arguing with a marciano lover.

LOL!

**** Butterfly...99.9% of the posts that I've read from you has to with your "love" for Ali, and YOU accuse somebody else of being bias towards a fighter?

That's comical, man.

[butterfly1964]

Dempsey a glass-chinned headhunter?

For your own sake please stop here. You might look back on this post in a few years, when you've learned a little more about the sport's history, and cringe at your words.

For the purpose of your education, Dempsey was at his best on the inside and was a tremendous body puncher. If boxing matches were fought inside phone booths, Dempsey would have retired undefeated. Short blindingly fast punches thrown with complete bodyweight behind them were his specialty. His chin has always been considered well above average, and his recovery was astounding, perhaps the best of any heavyweight champion. You are the first person I've ever heard to suggest that Dempsey had a glass chin. Congratulations.

You've likely only seen him against Willard where 1. He was fighting a giant and so was forced to fight on the outside in the first moments of that fight 2. Caved in his cheek bone with the first flush hook that landed, and so he went out of his way to knock Willard out while he had him hurt. Yes he was wild in that fight because Willard was momentarily defenseless (showing primte Dempsey's great fighting instinct and awareness of his opponents condition) and had no way of hurting him back. You can see that in the second and third rounds where Willard has regained his senses and Dempsey, in reaction, boxes conservatively.

Your top ten list shows an apparent lack of knowledge concerning boxing pre-1960's, but you seem like a decent enough guy so it's forgivable. Stick to writing about Ali and leave the top ten lists to people who are more objective in their debates, who've done research (fight films and essays written by men who've actually seen these guys fight live), and are more interested in the truth than in some ulterior motive as in your case (your motive being building up Ali and his opponents of course).

I apologize if that comes across as harsh, but that's just how I see your list.

cute post kid achilles, but if he had a strong chin, then how come firpo knocked him down like twelve times. firpo is not that big a puncher. if he had a strong chin as you say then he wouldn't be knocked down. and tunney? tunney's even worse. he can't punch at all, and he knocked dempsey down. if he had a chin he wouldn't be floored by the soft punching marine. and i'm building up ali and his opponents? i don't think i am, maybe because they were that good? just because i put them in the top ten doesn't mean i'm building them up. basically everyone on this boxing forum would have foreman and frazier in the top ten, so i'm definetely not building them up. holmes is arguably the most underrated boxer ever, so i believe he is top ten material. liston is also, like foreman someone only seen as a bafoon who got embarrased by ali, but if you watch him in his prime, the speed, power and accuracy of his punches, and the heart he showed prior to and after the ali fights then you would have him as a top ten as well, so no you're all wrong.

[butterfly1964]

LOL!

**** Butterfly...99.9% of the posts that I've read from you has to with your "love" for Ali, and YOU accuse somebody else of being bias towards a fighter?

That's comical, man.

i can understand someone liking and admiring marciano, there's nothing wrong with that. but to have him beating foreman, liston, tyson, and others would you know would be too big, strong, fast, and skilled for him and would crush him in two rounds or less, is just plain ******!

[leff]

no sense arguing with a marciano lover.

lol and that comes from the world biggest ali lover, yeah sure i love the rock but i dont live in ali`s ass like you

[leff]

i can understand someone liking and admiring marciano, there's nothing wrong with that. but to have him beating foreman, liston, tyson, and others would you know would be too big, strong, fast, and skilled for him and would crush him in two rounds or less, is just plain ******!

uuuum

didnt say foreman

[butterfly1964]

uuuum

didnt say foreman

i don't mean just you, but marciano lovers in general on this forum.

[leff]

how about ali lovers than?

[butterfly1964]

how about ali lovers than?

one could make a case for ali being the greatest. he beat the best competition, bar none. he was the fastest moving and fastest hitting hw. he could hit somewhat hard. he shocked the world twice against liston and foreman, and he cleaned out two decades of boxing. what did marciano do? he cleaned out arguably the weakest modern era of boxing where the top contenders were all blown up, and everyone weighed 180 to 189 or so. he defended the title six times and then retired. so who is more the greatest, ali or marciano?

[Brockton Lip]

We can make a case for Marciano being the best. Undefeated, KTFO Joe Louis (old or not), highest win-knockout ratio, broke bones, almost killed people, beat Ali in the computer fight (scripted is under debate), and the most determined fighter.

[Kid Achilles]

Firpo not a strong puncher? Again you're the first person I've ever encountered to try and claim that. He was the Foreman of his times, who beat better boxers on brute power alone. You pull facts out of your ass, but you don't really know what you're talking about. As for Tunney, he hit about as hard as your hero Ali, not extremely hard for a heavyweight but he would put a guy on his ass if his right hand landed flush, or at least stagger him.

You dig yourself deeper with every post you make. Half truths and bull**** is all you can throw at me. That's your debating style. Make some **** up and then make more **** up to try and smother your opponent's arguments. It's tiresome to deal with, so I'm done with this thread.