My Top Ten Greatest Heavyweight Champs Of All Time!

[Gemini531]

ALi
Tyson
Marciano
Frazier
Foreman
Liston
Patterson
Louis
Holmes
Johnson

[Da Iceman]

you put patterson ahead of louis! what the hell did patterson do that made him so great

[butterfly1964]

My list is the true list of all time great heavyweight champs:

1) Muhammad Ali
2) Sonny Liston
3) Joe Louis
4) Jack Johnson
5) Larry Holmes
6) George Foreman
7) Mike Tyson
8) Joe Frazier
9) Jack Dempsey
10) Rocky Marciano

i'll change some of that.

1) Muhammad Ali
2) Sonny Liston
3) Larry Holmes
4) George Foreman
5) Joe Frazier
6) Mike Tyson
7) Jack Johnson
8) Joe Louis
9) Evander Holyfield
10) Lennox Lewis

[Kid Achilles]

1) Muhammad Ali
2) Sonny Liston
3) Larry Holmes
4) George Foreman
5) Joe Frazier
6) Mike Tyson
7) Jack Johnson
8) Joe Louis
9) Evander Holyfield
10) Lennox Lewis

Sonny Liston above Joe Louis? Jack Johnson present when Dempsey and Marciano are missing?

[Kid Achilles]

I've been reading some of your earlier posts on this thread and am embarassed by your lack of historical knowledge in boxing. Jim Jeffries small? He was one of the naturally strongest men who've won the title. His dimensions were huge and he never lifted a weight. In terms of endurance he was a 6'1" 220 lb Rocky Marciano.

Yep, a real twerp!

[butterfly1964]

1) Muhammad Ali
2) Sonny Liston
3) Larry Holmes
4) George Foreman
5) Joe Frazier
6) Mike Tyson
7) Jack Johnson
8) Joe Louis
9) Evander Holyfield
10) Lennox Lewis

Sonny Liston above Joe Louis? Jack Johnson present when Dempsey and Marciano are missing?

liston is too big for louis and his hands are too fast for louis to avoid them, and he has ko power. johnson would embarass and destroy dempsey and marciano. marciano was unskilled and small, and dempsey was not as fast as johnson and kind of small, plus johnson could tie you up pretty easily to the point that you would get frustrated.

[RockyMarcianofan00]

liston is too big for louis and his hands are too fast for louis to avoid them, and he has ko power. johnson would embarass and destroy dempsey and marciano. marciano was unskilled and small, and dempsey was not as fast as johnson and kind of small, plus johnson could tie you up pretty easily to the point that you would get frustrated.

i disagree i believe marciano would knock johnson out but thats also a hard fight to call because they fought in two totally different times but the reason johnson was good was because he was 6'0 or 6'1 and the average heavy weight was 5'7 i think Marciano would knock johnson out, know dempsey marciano that would be a fight

my top 10 heavyweights (first three are in that order the rest are in no paticular order)

Marciano
Louis
Foreman
Holmes
Tyson
Ali or Frazier
frazier or ali
Jersey Joe Walcott
ezzard charles
Archie Moore (i don't remember if he was heavy or light heavy but he packed a wallop)
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[RockyMarcianofan00]

not to take away from johnson's skill as a boxer
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[Kid Achilles]

ut thats also a hard fight to call because they fought in two totally different times but the reason johnson was good was because he was 6'0 or 6'1 and the average heavy weight was 5'7 i think Marciano would knock johnson out, know dempsey marciano that would be a fight

That is just not true. The average heavyweight was about 5'11", 6' or so, and there were many who were 6'2" and taller. In fact the only notable 5'7" heavyweight at the time was Tommy Burns if I recall correctly.

Johnson was good because he had great defensive skills, was as strong as a bull, and could really punch.

His only fault was a weak jaw. A lack of a chin is one of the reasons I favor both Marciano and especially Dempsey over him. The other is that I just don't see his flatfooted parrying style being effective against either man. You needed movement and a good jab against Marciano and Dempsey. You could not expect to stand in front of either and go the distance.

[butterfly1964]

That is just not true. The average heavyweight was about 5'11", 6' or so, and there were many who were 6'2" and taller. In fact the only notable 5'7" heavyweight at the time was Tommy Burns if I recall correctly.

Johnson was good because he had great defensive skills, was as strong as a bull, and could really punch.

His only fault was a weak jaw. A lack of a chin is one of the reasons I favor both Marciano and especially Dempsey over him. The other is that I just don't see his flatfooted parrying style being effective against either man. You needed movement and a good jab against Marciano and Dempsey. You could not expect to stand in front of either and go the distance.

excuse me, johnson flatfooted? he wasn't a dancer like sugar ray robinson or ali, but he certainly wasn't flatfooted. he moved constantly and he had lightning fast reflexes, faster than dempsey's and especially faster than marciano's.