Fury's retirements and the lineal championship

[Willie Pep 229]

Exactly. Like the trinket making orgs mean anything.

Yeah they do mean something. They are our eliminators; they are used set up the real championship fights (and excite the casuals).

There was a time when being ranked by Ring Magazine meant something. Today we use the SB straps in place of those rankings.

They serve a purpose. TV loves presenting "championship" fights and casual fans today won't watch unless there is a tiile on the line.

Today almost every televised fight is a title fight of some sort, but that's for the casuals.

But we know which fights are the real title fights. Those we call the lineal title.

[kafkod]

You can use the Ring, you can use the TNBR. They're both not taking a dime to do their rankings and are usually on the same page when a contender rises that high. Both right now have Dubois right after usyk. If neither held this title and fought it would be for the vacant lineal championship. Boxrec has DD behind usyk as well.

The WBO has Parker number one behind Dubois. The WBA has Kubrat Pulev as their regular champion behind Usyk. The IBF has number one vacant and Chisora number two. The WBC has Kabayel behind Usyk. I mean come on man, use your common sense. The ABC orgs are a mess!!

Wow, so both Ring and TNBR have the two SB belt holders at 1 and 2 in their rankings. What an amazing co-incidence!

It's almost like they are using those worthless trinket titles to decide who they are going to rate as the top 2 in the division! Nah ... surely not?

And how do you know the faceless, anonymous scribes who compile ratings at sites like TBRB are not taking money from promoters? We don't even know who they are, ffs!

[kafkod]

Yeah they do mean something. They are our eliminators; they are used set up the real championship fights (and excite the casuals).

There was a time when being ranked by Ring Magazine meant something. Today we use the SB straps in place of those rankings.

They serve a purpose. TV loves presenting "championship" fights and casual fans today won't watch unless there is a tiile on the line.

Today almost every televised fight is a title fight of some sort, but that's for the casuals.

But we know which fights are the real title fights. Those we call the lineal title.

When there is more than one SB title holder, there's nothing wrong with using their records in title fights to decide which one should be recognised as THE champion.

But if you throw a non-existent lineal title into that mix, and propagate the idea that this non-existent tile is somehow more important than the SB tiles, and that it can can only be won and lost in the ring, then you open the door wide to the exploitation of gullible casual fans by unscrupulous promoters.

We've seen how that con trick works in the HW division. At a time when when the SB titles were being fought over by great champions like Lewis, Hollyfield and Tyson, a near 50 year old George Foreman was defending his non-existent lineal title against the likes of Crawford Grimsley and Lou Saverese, taking money, attention and respect away from actual, real HW title fights.

Then we had the overweight, ring rusty, booze addled shadow of Tyson Fury selling fights with Francesco Pianetta, Sefer Seferi, Tom Schwarz and Otto Wallin as lineal title fights. Seriously, Willie, would you call trash like that real title fights?

[JAB5239]

Wow, so both Ring and TNBR have the two SB belt holders at 1 and 2 in their rankings. What an amazing co-incidence!

It's almost like they are using those worthless trinket titles to decide who they are going to rate as the top 2 in the division! Nah ... surely not?

And how do you know the faceless, anonymous scribes who compile ratings at sites like TBRB are not taking money from promoters? We don't even know who they are, ffs!

Actually we know exactly who they are for the TBRB. They list them on their site. Lol, you can choose whatever you want, and I'll choose whatever I want. One thing is sure, there is a lot less controversy with lineal ranking than ABC rankings.

[kafkod]

Actually we know exactly who they are for the TBRB. They list them on their site. Lol, you can choose whatever you want, and I'll choose whatever I want. One thing is sure, there is a lot less controversy with lineal ranking than ABC rankings.

What the heck is lineal ranking?

Whatever that means, it's not controversial because it's irrelevant.

[JAB5239]

What the heck is lineal ranking?

Whatever that means, it's not controversial because it's irrelevant.

As is your whole stance on this topic.

I think you know exactly what I meant (TBRB, Ring), no need for theatrics.

[billeau2]

Exactly. Like the trinket making orgs mean anything.

The problem being: There is no mechanism, no survival of the best, allowing a decent governing body to emerge out of the many such organizations. The confusion lies with the assumption that , people who value the lineal, automatically disapprove of all other types of regulating bodies. ideally there should be, at most a few such bodies and they can prove their worth through having a legitimate champion which would almost guarantee lining up to the lineal anyway!

[billeau2]

Yeah they do mean something. They are our eliminators; they are used set up the real championship fights (and excite the casuals).

There was a time when being ranked by Ring Magazine meant something. Today we use the SB straps in place of those rankings.

They serve a purpose. TV loves presenting "championship" fights and casual fans today won't watch unless there is a tiile on the line.

Today almost every televised fight is a title fight of some sort, but that's for the casuals.

But we know which fights are the real title fights. Those we call the lineal title.

What is so complicated about what you just said? It is common sense and shows exactly how the lineal works and WHY it is occasionally necessary to declare it.

[billeau2]

As is your whole stance on this topic.

I think you know exactly what I meant (TBRB, Ring), no need for theatrics.

kafkod has now retreated back to: "The lineal does not exist" And arguing with reverse circular logic... "because we need not name the lineal, we will call it non existent even though we can see how it works."

Never mind that fans look to a lineage of champions who defeated the best champion to become the champion... It does not exist because we call it the lineal and people have also called other things the lineal (Nat at Ring). You cannot make this shiat up!

Then? to add a cherry on top he lambasts Fury as the lineal calling out Fury WHOM unlike so many alphabet soup champs WAS in fact a legit champion!

[billeau2]

What the heck is lineal ranking?

Whatever that means, it's not controversial because it's irrelevant.

Translation: I do not understand it so it does not exist.... Lol.