Tunney versus Beterbiev

[JAB5239]

Yes.Benny Leonard and Hype Igoe watched the film of the fight over several days and corrected its running speed,their conclusion was Tunney was on the floor between 17 and 18 seconds. When Tunney floored Dempsey the referee began counting immediately,although Tunney at no time went to a neutral corner.
Tunney had close ties to the Philadelphia mob he had borrowed $200,000 from its leader Max Boo Boo Hoff .
The referee Dave Barry ran a speak easy.My point being Tunney is generally represented as this squeaky clean athlete and he wasn't.

The Joe Kennedy of boxing!!

[QueensburyRules]

How do you figure Beter what's bigger or stronger than Dempsey? That makes no sense.

- - Your nonsensical Tinkerbell fantastical non sequiturs have blinded you that Beter is near 200lbs on fight night. If he weren't always insanely training his weight down, he'd be a solid 220lbs in good shape civilian.

[JAB5239]

- - Your nonsensical Tinkerbell fantastical non sequiturs have blinded you that Beter is near 200lbs on fight night. If he weren't always insanely training his weight down, he'd be a solid 220lbs in good shape civilian.

And if Dempsey wasnt training his weight down and doing same day weigh ins, wouldn't he be bigger as well? Use your common sense here man.

[Willie Pep 229]

Yes.Benny Leonard and Hype Igoe watched the film of the fight over several days and corrected its running speed,their conclusion was Tunney was on the floor between 17 and 18 seconds. When Tunney floored Dempsey the referee began counting immediately,although Tunney at no time went to a neutral corner.
Tunney had close ties to the Philadelphia mob he had borrowed $200,000 from its leader Max Boo Boo Hoff .
The referee Dave Barry ran a speak easy.My point being Tunney is generally represented as this squeaky clean athlete and he wasn't.

You nailed the corruption of Barry in the inconsistency of his counts.

The Dave Barry story I have pieced together.

Dempsey at first refused the choice of Dave Barry.

Tunney refused to budge.

Dempsey appealed to Illinois Commission.

Boo Boo Hoff files a suit against Tunney for 20% of his 1926 purse. Calls for a court injunction to stop the 1927 fight. (See below for explanation.)

Dempsey withdraws his appeal.

Boo Boo withdraws his suit.

Fight is back on.

Dave Barry's affect, on the fight, to come.

EXPLANATION

Back in 1926 Billiy Gibson was in tight with Arnold Rothstein (Gibson four years later becomes one of only four beneficiaries in Rothstein's will. (ex-Wife, current Mistress, Monk Eastman, Billy Gibson. Abe Attell was left out.)

1926: Rothstein tells Boo Boo Hoff to give Billy Gibson 20K in exchange for 20% of Tunney.

Without Tunney's knowledge Gibson forges Tunney's signature. Takes money. (Later on Gibson tries to lie his way out giving multiple different excuses, to the newspapers. Gets caught lying.

(In the interim Rothstein bets 100K on Tunney at four to one odds.)

Tunney wins in 1926 and Boo Boo Hoff doesn't try to collect his 20%.

1927

Dempsey balks at choice of Dave Barry and suddenly Hoff files suit for an injunction. Dempsey backs off.

Well played by Arnold Rothstein.

P.S. In 1960 Abe Attell tells a young reporter, Ferdie Pacheco: "What people don't understand about the Tunney-Dempsey fights, is that it was the J ews against the Italians and the J ews won."

P.S.S. With Rothstein dead Boo Boo Hoff, (in 1930?) takes a stab at collecting 20% from Tunney. Files suit. Billy Gibson checks into a sanatorium in Los Angeles and is diagnosed with dementia. Judge fines Gibson ineligible to testify. No Gibson, no suit, no trial.

After the trial Billy Gibson seems to suddenly be OK again, lives untl 1945. Lol

[billeau2]

- - Your nonsensical Tinkerbell fantastical non sequiturs have blinded you that Beter is near 200lbs on fight night. If he weren't always insanely training his weight down, he'd be a solid 220lbs in good shape civilian.

And you do not think this also applies to other fighters? particularly from Dempsey's era up through Marciano?

Idiot. What do you think Dempsey walked around at? Here is a clue: Marciano, who usually fought at around 190 or so, walked around at a solid 215ish, at least according to Ali who saw him a lot... and this was as a retired fighter in good shape.

You are incapable of generalizing any information you use to make a point about fighters you favor... In your r e t a r d e d world, Beter is the only fighter ever to rehydrate and walk around at a bigger weight than when scaled... You know how ridiculous that sounds?

[QueensburyRules]

And you do not think this also applies to other fighters? particularly from Dempsey's era up through Marciano?

Idiot. What do you think Dempsey walked around at? Here is a clue: Marciano, who usually fought at around 190 or so, walked around at a solid 215ish, at least according to Ali who saw him a lot... and this was as a retired fighter in good shape.

You are incapable of generalizing any information you use to make a point about fighters you favor... In your r e t a r d e d world, Beter is the only fighter ever to rehydrate and walk around at a bigger weight than when scaled... You know how ridiculous that sounds?

- - Jabby likes U false analogies.

Come fight night, Beter bigger than Tunney or Dempsey. With 6 oz horsehairs, he’d be frightening.

On the other hand, U and jabby would be ham sandwiches.

[JAB5239]

- - Jabby likes U false analogies.

Come fight night, Beter bigger than Tunney or Dempsey. With 6 oz horsehairs, he’d be frightening.

On the other hand, U and jabby would be ham sandwiches.

So beterbiev put on 25lbs in a day, but Dempsey, Tunney, Marciano and any other fighter who trained down in weight wouldn't put on weight in that same amount of time? Is that what you're trying to sell here? Lmao.....you really are clueless. Your eastern european nuthigging is at an all time high. Unfortunately your knowledge and common sense are still at an all time low. Keep trolling though, at least you're good at that.

[Kid Cauliflower]

The illusory view of Tunney is that he was a weak puncher like other great pure boxers in and around his era--Loughran, Pep, Gibbons et al. Not a bit of it though! He had Marine corps muscles and a good punch to go with them. He was body-hard, but then most fighters are. He was not the pampered boy, as sometimes advertised today, who simply came at the right time and was lucky enough to beat a Dempsey who for 3 inactive years had sprawled regally on mountains of pillows while starlets fed him grapes.

Tunney was one of Apple's hard men of the era. This attitude and lifestyle came first in the sequence. Only later came the accolades, acting, authorship and socialites. He was a hard man first, who upon completing the war worked in logging camps with the express purpose of building himself up for a planned boxing career.

He also just happened to be smart, forward-thinking and better looking than most movies stars. That paid off. But only because he was a hard man already.

On the surface that we see, Tunney lived the American dream to its fullest. You couldn't do better.

And he does not have the stats of a weak puncher. I must be overlooking something.

[QueensburyRules]

So beterbiev put on 25lbs in a day, but Dempsey, Tunney, Marciano and any other fighter who trained down in weight wouldn't put on weight in that same amount of time? Is that what you're trying to sell here? Lmao.....you really are clueless. Your eastern european nuthigging is at an all time high. Unfortunately your knowledge and common sense are still at an all time low. Keep trolling though, at least you're good at that.

- - Another false analogy by U equivalent to U swilling hogwash proclaiming it champagne. Where U AOL link? Pig Sty?

[billeau2]

- - Jabby likes U false analogies.

Come fight night, Beter bigger than Tunney or Dempsey. With 6 oz horsehairs, he’d be frightening.

On the other hand, U and jabby would be ham sandwiches.

Because you say so? Lol... You have no way of knowing whom would be bigger and it probably would not be Beter, At least not bigger than Dempsey. How many times do you need to be shown to be the fool before you think? Put on those big boys!! And use em like a big boy!!