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[them_apples]

Think your reading the battlefields a little wrong.

I’m not, military history and strategy is my side hobby. If you look hard enough you can find more accurate news.

word of advice 99% of western news at this point is pure and utter bull****.

[them_apples]

What?

Nuclear Subs

USA --> 67
China --> 12
France --> 9

Aircraft Carriers

USA --> 11
China --> 2

Italy has as many aircraft carriers as China, (2).

Navy wise China is NOT a serious person.

"Junks" don't count.

There is way more to a war than counting military equipment. Logistics, politics, resources etc all play massive roles.

the usa has a lot of military equipment, many of it totally not suited for a war in Europe and much of it can’t be used over there without massive modification which takes time and money. Going over and fighting Russia in Russian territory is a MASSIVE undertaking and would utterly bankrupt the usa. We know this because even the war on Iraq, a vastly inferior enemy to the USA - crippled the US economy. Waging war takes massive amounts of money. All the “conquerors” had enormous sums of money but also a working population that was motivated to a cause.

Caesar, Napolean and Hitler etc these guys essentially owned their own currencies. Caesar funded the legions himself. These are special circumstances in history where one mad had so much power and authority it allowed them to create incredibly powerful armies that would fund themselves through conquering.

the SS, germans elite military division - was a PMC (private military group). Hitler funded this with essentially his own currency (they disbanded the old and useless mark which had been polluted through massive printing among other things.

in addition, Russia this very moment is destroying Nato equipment by the boatload because its being sent over to late to make a difference. The casualties on Ukraine side are brutal in comparison to Russias, who is mostly just relying on massive artillery barages and unlimited amounts of ammo. There is no “human wave” of russian troops moving forward like dogs.

the war right now is simply an artillery ground in Russias favor at 7-1 shells in relation to Ukraine. The western ammunition dumps are nearly empty, we were completely not ready for a war of this magnitude.

if things change we need : new government fast, lose the wokeness FAST and get a working population ready in the next 10 years to increase our useable manpower.

I’m not sure how big the US standing army is right now, but its smaller than its ever been with few troops with combat experience if we are talking a full scale invasion.

those old figures on google about the USAs military stashes don’t mean much at all - just like the figures on Russia were completely wrong.

right now we are dealing with a war against fabrication, everything being told to us isn’t even true. The internet has become so censored, even wikipedia I notice gets edited and updated to match political correctness. Its a sad time.

[them_apples]

I can tell I am talking to a person who isn't in the know. That's okay, few are. No one wins in nuclear war, we all lose.

Now pay attention to this. China is developing or has and land based misses capable striking air craft carriers ( missiles which are land based ) which can hit aircraft as far say Hawaii or will be able to do so in the near future . The distance of the planes needed to strike without a refuel is less than this. These missiles travel at hyper sonic speeds ( very hard to shoot down and have laser and satellite based targeting. ) The air craft career is a giant piece of war and a great asset against all other navies, but against these type of missiles they are sitting ducks. They just are. Many boat and planes defend these aircraft carriers, but none can defend vs. hyper sonic missiles which travel extremely fast. Now I don't know the true range of such missiles, just pointing out the obvious. The USA admirals are aware of the problem.

Unless the USA plans on losing some of aircraft carries, they won't risk war to defend Taiwan. Nuclear war? A very slim chance at Twains expense. My conclusion is, if China attacks Taiwan they are pretty much fighting their own battle.

We are being badly out built navy wise by China. It's a ship yard building type of thing. China has many more.

Yes, we do nuclear sub edge to but they do much damage conventional speaking without using NUKES.

China is certainly strong, but its all speculation on what they can do. They have no real military history outside of just defending themselves. Even the concept of the great wall summarizes Chinas military stance. They break nations economically and simply defend themselves.

Most people don’t know this : chinas GDP during the height of the roman empire was larger than Romes. Making it the most economically powerful nation at the time. I do not think they would have stood a chance against the Roman army however, who just has such vast military experience. Never before in history has an army campaigned for 10-15 years under strict military guidance - forming an absolute elite military that were said to be dangerous even as retirees in their 50s. (Caesar still called on them when he needed support).

[Beercules]

China is certainly strong, but its all speculation on what they can do. They have no real military history outside of just defending themselves. Even the concept of the great wall summarizes Chinas military stance. They break nations economically and simply defend themselves.

Most people don�t know this : chinas GDP during the height of the roman empire was larger than Romes. Making it the most economically powerful nation at the time. I do not think they would have stood a chance against the Roman army however, who just has such vast military experience. Never before in history has an army campaigned for 10-15 years under strict military guidance - forming an absolute elite military that were said to be dangerous even as retirees in their 50s. (Caesar still called on them when he needed support).

Tactical nuclear war.

these bombs are about true size of a baseball.

if China ****s with us it will be bloody.

[QueensburyRules]

China is certainly strong, but its all speculation on what they can do. They have no real military history outside of just defending themselves. Even the concept of the great wall summarizes Chinas military stance. They break nations economically and simply defend themselves.

Most people don�t know this : chinas GDP during the height of the roman empire was larger than Romes. Making it the most economically powerful nation at the time. I do not think they would have stood a chance against the Roman army however, who just has such vast military experience. Never before in history has an army campaigned for 10-15 years under strict military guidance - forming an absolute elite military that were said to be dangerous even as retirees in their 50s. (Caesar still called on them when he needed support).

- - Maybe you need to look up Genghis and then Kublai Khan, Mongol invaders who took down everything China, SE Asia, and swept faster than wildfire west of China into Germany. The only remaining Euro states were near the Atlantic and Mediterranean coasts.

Romans never had such vast territories paying tribute to the Khans.

You can read about their vast reach in part with Marco Polo's travels.

[Willie Pep 229]

There is way more to a war than counting military equipment. Logistics, politics, resources etc all play massive roles.

the usa has a lot of military equipment, many of it totally not suited for a war in Europe and much of it can�t be used over there without massive modification which takes time and money. Going over and fighting Russia in Russian territory is a MASSIVE undertaking and would utterly bankrupt the usa. We know this because even the war on Iraq, a vastly inferior enemy to the USA - crippled the US economy. Waging war takes massive amounts of money. All the �conquerors� had enormous sums of money but also a working population that was motivated to a cause.

Caesar, Napolean and Hitler etc these guys essentially owned their own currencies. Caesar funded the legions himself. These are special circumstances in history where one mad had so much power and authority it allowed them to create incredibly powerful armies that would fund themselves through conquering.

the SS, germans elite military division - was a PMC (private military group). Hitler funded this with essentially his own currency (they disbanded the old and useless mark which had been polluted through massive printing among other things.

in addition, Russia this very moment is destroying Nato equipment by the boatload because its being sent over to late to make a difference. The casualties on Ukraine side are brutal in comparison to Russias, who is mostly just relying on massive artillery barages and unlimited amounts of ammo. There is no �human wave� of russian troops moving forward like dogs.

the war right now is simply an artillery ground in Russias favor at 7-1 shells in relation to Ukraine. The western ammunition dumps are nearly empty, we were completely not ready for a war of this magnitude.

if things change we need : new government fast, lose the wokeness FAST and get a working population ready in the next 10 years to increase our useable manpower.

I�m not sure how big the US standing army is right now, but its smaller than its ever been with few troops with combat experience if we are talking a full scale invasion.

those old figures on google about the USAs military stashes don�t mean much at all - just like the figures on Russia were completely wrong.

right now we are dealing with a war against fabrication, everything being told to us isn�t even true. The internet has become so censored, even wikipedia I notice gets edited and updated to match political correctness. Its a sad time.

Everything you heard/read is the truth.

Everything I read is 'fake news.'

Why do people, who claim they can spot 'fake news' just from watching TV and reading on the Internet, convince themseleves that they are not also being conned? Do you all, ever have a moment of clarity and think maybe . . .

I doubt everything you said above.

We'll both likely get to see!

We do agree on one thing, China is coming for Taiwan. But I say the Ryssian fisaco in Ukraine** has put a chill on Xi.

** Anything other than a three week victory in Ukraine, makes the Ukraine invasion a 'Russian Fisaco.' --> it's been over a year.

Xi is seeing just how this type of aggressive action can go wrong. I suspect Xi wouldn't be able to politically surrive a protracted war the way ***** has.

[Ivich]

Tactical nuclear war.

these bombs are about true size of a baseball.

if China ****s with us it will be bloody.

I think the US would resort to nuclear war first,their experience in Viet Nam will have directed them that way.

[Ivich]

I�m not, military history and strategy is my side hobby. If you look hard enough you can find more accurate news.

word of advice 99% of western news at this point is pure and utter bull****.

99% of all news is BS.

[them_apples]

Everything you heard/read is the truth.

Everything I read is 'fake news.'

Why do people, who claim they can spot 'fake news' just from watching TV and reading on the Internet, convince themseleves that they are not also being conned? Do you all, ever have a moment of clarity and think maybe . . .

I doubt everything you said above.

We'll both likely get to see!

We do agree on one thing, China is coming for Taiwan. But I say the Ryssian fisaco in Ukraine** has put a chill on Xi.

** Anything other than a three week victory in Ukraine, makes the Ukraine invasion a 'Russian Fisaco.' --> it's been over a year.

Xi is seeing just how this type of aggressive action can go wrong. I suspect Xi wouldn't be able to politically surrive a protracted war the way ***** has.

believe me Willie, I know you ain't dumb.

Just look into this one a bit more. I agree both sides have fake news, but with due dilligence NOTHING on our side of the fence adds up.

There is a live military map militaryland.com (or net) it's a very western biased website, but even amongst the bias - nothing overrules a live map updated, which is easy to see that the russian news makes way more sense.

Obviously casualty figures and all that will never be totally accurate, but the general composition of the current battle is basically what I have said.

If you look at the position on Bahkmut, one side of the news says it's defending itself and holding out till spring etc etc the otherside says they are filling it with recruit after recruit and dying in droves.

look at the positioning, the city is surrounded and being shelled mercillessly. with a deliberate escape route left behind to let them feed the place even more bodies. Week by week and block by block its losing ground, I watch it every day. Russian news makes WAY more sense. Our news isn't even relevant.

the truth will come out in the near future. even on our side.

last but not least: We would have stopped Russia a year ago if we could have. There is no way we would let them build up their army and recruit 1.5 million troops - sign trade deals with India, Saudi and China as well as separate its currency from any exchanges rates.

[them_apples]

- - Maybe you need to look up Genghis and then Kublai Khan, Mongol invaders who took down everything China, SE Asia, and swept faster than wildfire west of China into Germany. The only remaining Euro states were near the Atlantic and Mediterranean coasts.

Romans never had such vast territories paying tribute to the Khans.

You can read about their vast reach in part with Marco Polo's travels.

I know all about Ghengis, or what there is to know - since there isn't much.

They destroyed the Jin Dyanasty. Not the strongest point in Chinas history.

Ghengis was a tactical genius, but also circumstances played in his favor.

There were multiple war tribes for centuries in Mongolia, and they all fought eachother. China used to pay the Tartars (another tribe similar to Mongols) to continuously keep the other tribes in turmoil. The Tartars learned a lot by interacting with the Jin empire. Ghengis eventually united the tribes,once united they realized their insane military capability.

I'm not totally sold on Chinas Military dominance, economically sure - right now its all bells and whistles to me.

I do think russia is being massively underestimated though. especially considering their track record.