Why do people still put Joe Louis as the best HW with his outdated and poor mechanics?

[Pugilist89]

Is it some sentimental nationalism that makes everyone compelled to mention his name ? He has a weak posture that is completely outdated in boxing, yet he's still revered as the best or second best heavyweight of all time. His bag work looks completely amateurish by todays standards. So if his mechanics aged poorly, why are we to assume that he as a fighter aged well??

He couldn't have fought that crouched way against modern fighters. No way. Jose

Not everything is bad ofc, but if you'r fundamental stance is ****ty, nothing else matters. He doesn't have any solid core and he's easy to hit for a modern professional fighter (unlike the bozos he fought). His speed is mediocre at best. Not even that would compensate.

[Willow The Wisp]

Well, give me 5 heavyweights who are better

[Pugilist89]

Well, give me 5 heavyweights who are better

I don't even need to mention champs. Jerry Quarry was better.

[Willie Pep 229]

Is it some sentimental nationalism that makes everyone compelled to mention his name ? He has a weak posture that is completely outdated in boxing, yet he's still revered as the best or second best heavyweight of all time. His bag work looks completely amateurish by todays standards. So if his mechanics aged poorly, why are we to assume that he as a fighter aged well??

He couldn't have fought that crouched way against modern fighters. No way. Jose

Not everything is bad ofc, but if you'r fundamental stance is ****ty, nothing else matters. He doesn't have any solid core and he's easy to hit for a modern professional fighter (unlike the bozos he fought). His speed is mediocre at best. Not even that would compensate.

Yea --> he was fighting then not now. Would you expect a Model A Ford to race in the Firecracker 500 this year?

Why would you compare a fighter from 75 plus years ago and waste everyone's time telling us he is outdated?

You judge a man by his achievements in his day not by your silly nagic eye.

[QueensburyRules]

- - Joe Louis outdated and poor mechanics better than any other heavy outdated and poor mechanics as proven time and time again on this forum over many years.

Yer Welcome...

[Dr. Z]

Is it some sentimental nationalism that makes everyone compelled to mention his name ? He has a weak posture that is completely outdated in boxing, yet he's still revered as the best or second best heavyweight of all time. His bag work looks completely amateurish by todays standards. So if his mechanics aged poorly, why are we to assume that he as a fighter aged well??

He couldn't have fought that crouched way against modern fighters. No way. Jose

Not everything is bad ofc, but if you'r fundamental stance is ****ty, nothing else matters. He doesn't have any solid core and he's easy to hit for a modern professional fighter (unlike the bozos he fought). His speed is mediocre at best. Not even that would compensate.

I have noticed these things too. But he did have good combinations,and a lot of power. He has some fundamental flaws like you say. I disagree with you, he didn't fight all bozos, Schmeling, Conn, Walcott, Charles, and Marciano men who exposed Louis on the score cards. He got a gift decision over Walcott in the first fight, and was behind in Conn in a 12 round match before the 168 pound Conn got little to brave and tired to knock him out. He was older vs Charles who beat his doors off, and Marciano who knocked him out.

Nat Fleischer didn't think much if him, and he was ring side for his fights rating him 6th off his all time heavyweight list winch was in the early 1960's. And Nat has ever reason the like Joe Louis because he was ***ish and Louis victory over Schmeling ( re-match ) was seen as special for the ***ish community then. It is still remembered now.

I agree with you that his foot speed as poor, but his hand speed was very good.

[Pugilist89]

Yea --> he was fighting then not now. Would you expect a Model A Ford to race in the Fire******* 500 this year?

Why would you compare a fighter from 75 plus years ago and waste everyone's time telling us he is outdated?

You judge a man by his achievements in his day not by your silly nagic eye.

There Re plenty of old schoolers with relevant mechanics today. Walcott still looks great, as does Ezzard Charles

[Dr. Z]

There Re plenty of old schoolers with relevant mechanics today. Walcott still looks great, as does Ezzard Charles

Agreed. Joe Louis low guard, limed or no head movement, and slow and predictable shuffling feet spelled trouble and defeat in his times v. the best boxers he faced and they had less weight and height and reach than he did. Hmmmm.... He was could be clinched and man handled too.

I don't judge a man out of his era, but theses flaws are there and can be seen on film.

[Pugilist89]

Agreed. Joe Louis low guard, limed or no head movement, and slow and predictable shuffling feet spelled trouble and defeat in his times v. the best boxers he faced and they had less weight and height and reach than he did. Hmmmm.... He was could be clinched and man handled too.

I don't judge a man out of his era, but theses flaws are there and can be seen on film.

Why did he fight that way?

[Willow The Wisp]

Why did he fight that way?

Well, to win. Which he did. And to get people born after he died to create message board posts about him on their smartphones. It's a fair anawer. The truths are embedded. They being, that his stuff worked and worked great. Film connoisseurs can tell me who wins tonight between Ajagba and Shaw. Plenty of youtube on both. That's an easy way to test our film wisdom powers.