Why do people still put Joe Louis as the best HW with his outdated and poor mechanics?

[them_apples]

Ezzard Charles just blasted hooks to that awkward head position and did what the past generation failed to realise. Btw, Liston had a similiar habit of putting his head in no mans land... Especially when under pressure. So louis was definitely influencal.

Sugar Ray Robinsons mechanics aged much better by comparison.

quickest way to defend yourself is to shove your head close to the opponents body where he can't get any room to punch you. This is why you see this. occasionally fighters today do it, like Marquez.

[Pugilist89]

quickest way to defend yourself is to shove your head close to the opponents body where he can't get any room to punch you. This is why you see this. occasionally fighters today do it, like Marquez.

Liston, influenced by Louis, just put it down, as if he was looking under a chicks dress.

[Willow The Wisp]

No, it doesn't change the rules of history.

While the changes in the NFL are more dramatic, no doubt, what are you going to do: evaluate each sport and then decide which can, and which can not be compared? E.g. basketball, hockey, tennis, golf, baseball, soccer, track, Etc.

What could you posdibly do except have an opinion?

Nothing more than a line in the sand, based on your opinion.

You don't get to ***** the rules of historical study.

These posts are Fantasy Fights, not history.

P.S. Besides how many times am I suspose to listen to these child like bate posts and stay quiet. Personally I think you should stop giving this nonsense credibility by replying to it.

RE BOLDFACE: OK, so it looks like we got it wrong.

Sure, of course. There are two camps on Boxing science and pace of development. You're in one camp, I'm in another.
What's been left unsaid about other (team) sports all derived from precursor sports, taking modern form between the mid 19th century and post WWII, then ratcheting up professional development and participation to their modern iterations in the early by the 1960's; versus Boxing having been boxing for some 3,000 years, deveoloping a science of best practice in a span of time that is quite unrelated to the modern marketing of team sports. Boxing has been a big sport for centuries using near identical principles. But this isn't mapping the reionization of the universe.
You can do fine with the conclusions that you make. I ain’t looking for any converts.
I'll still like your posts.
And that's it.

[QueensburyRules]

No, it doesn't change the rules of history.

While the changes in the NFL are more dramatic, no doubt, what are you going to do: evaluate each sport and then decide which can, and which can not be compared? E.g. basketball, hockey, tennis, golf, baseball, soccer, track, Etc.

- - I still say Walter Payton is by far the best running back in football history and likely most would agree with that. His combination of P4P strength, speed, decathlete level athleticism, durability, intelligence, and team oriented leadership will remain unmatched until the sun explodes to wipe out all the records. And yeah, Emmit Smith broke his rushing record, but with an all time great Cowboy team while Payton labored in the dying days of George Halas on terrible teams. He would've been a Jim Thorpe level two way every position type player in those early days.

What cannot be denied is the ball striking sports, ie baseball, golf, tennis have changed their field conditions, rules and equipment to make era comparisons next to useless. I suspect Footballs, Basketballs and Soccer balls are better than previous eras, most especially as to rule changes, playing conditions, and most especially in this Marketing Rules pretty much most of society, even in Politics, they are compensated beyond mortal belief.

Hockey pretty much would follow the football model as far as rules, equipment, ect.

Even a useful utility baseball player in 10 years can boast $30 millions of compensation for his efforts, an easy retirement and the top players have been busting through the Quarter Billion mark with ease.

[Ivich]

I could poke holes in this entire post, as it is not true.

Carnera found he couldn't manhandle Louis when Louis grabbed him , physically lifted and moved him around.
Primo said "I should be doing this to you".

Dr Z is just a hater who makes hate threads and then they get closed,a ****** man not to be taken seriously.

If Louis had all the flaws he says,poor footwork ,slow feet, lack of head movement,poor defence.soft chin,etc.you have to wonder how he won so many fights? Losing just 3 times to men that held the title at some point, 2 of those losses being when he was way past his prime.

Any time you have someone saying with complete certainty that a fighter was robbed solely on the basis of edited highlights of a fight they have viewed, [the 1st Louis v Walcott fight,] you know you are talking to a bigoted fool

[JT1]

Louis is one of the best technical heavyweights ever. There's a reason he went undefeated for almost a decade and a half.

[Anthony342]

Louis is one of the best technical heavyweights ever. There's a reason he went undefeated for almost a decade and a half.

Boom, this right here. So sick of these morons starting threads in the history section. Good post, giving this a like.

[them_apples]

Carnera found he couldn't manhandle Louis when Louis grabbed him , physically lifted and moved him around.
Primo said "I should be doing this to you".

Dr Z is just a hater who makes hate threads and then they get closed,a ****** man not to be taken seriously.

If Louis had all the flaws he says,poor footwork ,slow feet, lack of head movement,poor defence.soft chin,etc.you have to wonder how he won so many fights? Losing just 3 times to men that held the title at some point, 2 of those losses being when he was way past his prime.

Any time you have someone saying with complete certainty that a fighter was robbed solely on the basis of edited highlights of a fight they have viewed, [the 1st Louis v Walcott fight,] you know you are talking to a bigoted fool

totally agree. esp your last point. I didn't even see it as a robbery. Walcott throws a lot of exciting looking punches but not all of them were landing flush (obviuosly, or Louis would have been toast) in ****ty footage it looks like punches land all the time

[Ascended]

Wow another person who can see and isn't insane came here and posted the truth

cause the crazy idiots always say how I'm so called wrong for calling joe and the whole era novices why be mad at me for telling the truth they look that way compared to 70s-90s

The crazy idiots never have or had video to prove me wrong i don't apologize for watching full matches that prove me right


This is from earlier this week watching on my laptop and srr side by side and a man named Clemente from 1978s vs danny is 125 and is moving way more fluid and way more advanced he is using feints on top of able to combo faster on top of using lateral movement

how about carlos a middleweight as ray was using lateral movement smoothly able to pick off shots from range smoothly and duck and counter smoothly

Srr looks sloopy stiff making mutiple mistakes im watchin him now vs joe he looks nothing like these guys so tell me what i need to research anything at when im watching and saying exactly what i see and dont
ray and this era looks to be very over extending alot of times to the body and are very hesitant in most movements

they dont fight from range much,they leave themselves open alot
alot of times will just throw to the body and not protect themselves the carlos era was able to protect to body with 1 hand while punching to the body

they use mostly counters when up close,the lateral movement is very basic they dont seem to be able to punch from range while doing it smoothly they have to stop then punch most the time and their feet are mostly tiptoeing instead of carlos era where its like their a quarterback ready to throw the ball

these wasnt big name guys but they clearly as are way more advanced then rays era on top of being more fluid and made less mistakes


I named srr cause he is the so called most skilled ever in all divisions he fought in when he clearly isnt top 50 and he would be destroyed by those guys on top of others from 70s-now

Srr and that whole era all had the same flaws every person they all were stiff slow sloopy and way to basic only crazy idiots rank these guys skill level high when they all were novices


The poster who made this topic used to be like you crazy idiots repeating lies and then he watched full matches and he seen the truth


Another ****** quote which has been repeated for years is joe was always in position which is a lie he never landed on a person often unless they stood still

with people who moved good he looked very lost and struggling to land he only beat conn cause he stopped moving so much conn made him look foolish

None of the fighters i named or mutiple other ones from 70s-now would struggle with conn or any other fighter from that novice era not only were as I explained uptop way more advanced but smarter in the way they fought

[Ascended]

Louis is one of the best technical heavyweights ever. There's a reason he went undefeated for almost a decade and a half.

Yup keep repeating that lie you crazy robot as if we dont have video of mutiple no names on top of mid/high from 70s-now who were and are way more advanced and he went undefeated cause he fought novices like this is easy to see this you crazy bad vision person
like why brag on that anybody with logic knows if a person went undefeated that long means they fought trash you slow idiot

most technical ever fighting like a novice in 30-40s only a nut would say that who never seen matches outside that era you nut your just lke the rest of the crazy idiots

I dont need to explain any thing cause anybody with good vision should be able to see he looks trash compared the poster post was right

Only a crazy idiot says that lie you said I seen mutiple others like you say that lie on sites your crazy you have no video to prove he was more advanced then no names/mid/high carders i seen none of you crazy idiots do i asked mutiple none like you have video cause it doesn't exist the man was a novice compared