Who wins the battle of the Joe's?

[HOUDINI563]

My goodness. Louis at his best knocks Joyce out early. Joyce does not know how to fight and Louis is the most highly skilled heavyweight ever to live. Add to this Louis was a destructive one punch ko artist. Simply deadly. Louis by ko within six rounds. Joyce looks like hamburger meat afterwards.

[QueensburyRules]

I view Joyce as being better than Carnera, better chin too.

- -Aside from his Olympic silver, he's had limited pro experience compared to Carnera a former champ with over 80 pro fights.

I like Joe as an artist, British Gentleman, and his dedication to boxing, but we need to see him in with a top 10 to know if he's in the same class as Carnera. Louis was in the top ten after his first year in boxing and #1 his 2nd year and so on.

[Willie Pep 229]

Isn't that a popular trivia question: Who is the only HW to make The Ring's Top Ten his first year campaigning? A. Joe Louis

I am kind of surprised that didn't happen with Tyson. You would think with Gus D.'s prestige Tyson would get ranked quickly. I wonder if it was a scationing body thing . . . Please excuse my digression but considering Gus's willingness to war with the IBC (Patterson) how would Tyson's rise to the title played out if Gus had lived to deal with the scantioning bodies. Would he have cooperated or would Tyson's rise been slower?

Clayton was able to pull off a threepeat title run with Tyson taking out the big three in order. That must have been well coordinated: Cayton-HBO-IBF/WBC/WBA - You would think much money mush have changed hands and would Gus D. have played along.

[DeeMoney]

Joe Louis is a fighter I vacillate on (in regards to historical mythical matchups). Sometimes I will think of him as a slow plodding puncher, who is too small to compete with modern heavies- who are both big and skilled. Other times, I see him as a fighting machine.

I've been in the machine mode recently, and a lot of videos I've watched of him lately show some subtly great footwork (to match his freakish punching ability). He isn't perfect, but he is skilled enough to overcome whatever Joyce has in the way of size and athleticism. Bomber by KO

[dreamroom]

Joyce is weak defending against the right hand. Carlos Takam landed right after right against him. Although Joyce knocked him out (TKO), fighting Louis, if you are vulnerable to the right hand, is suicide. Louis hypnotizes Joyce then puts him in the dream room with right cross.

[HOUDINI563]

Louis had among the quickest fists in boxing history. Extremely quick. And both fists were deadly. He could also side step box and counter with the best. Joyce can’t fight and is as slow as molasses. It’s a complete mismatch.

[GhostofDempsey]

Louis made easy work of fighters as big as Joyce…Carnera and Simon come to mind. Joyce is slow, plodding and I doubt he would have an answer for Louis’ quickness and KO power in either hand. Louis was a far superior boxer-puncher and excellent counter-puncher.

[markusmod]

- -Aside from his Olympic silver, he's had limited pro experience compared to Carnera a former champ with over 80 pro fights.

I like Joe as an artist, British Gentleman, and his dedication to boxing, but we need to see him in with a top 10 to know if he's in the same class as Carnera. Louis was in the top ten after his first year in boxing and #1 his 2nd year and so on.

He has a lot more amateur experience. Did get too late of a start in the pros.

[Anthony342]

Isn't that a popular trivia question: Who is the only HW to make The Ring's Top Ten his first year campaigning? A. Joe Louis

I am kind of surprised that didn't happen with Tyson. You would think with Gus D.'s prestige Tyson would get ranked quickly. I wonder if it was a scationing body thing . . . Please excuse my digression but considering Gus's willingness to war with the IBC (Patterson) how would Tyson's rise to the title played out if Gus had lived to deal with the scantioning bodies. Would he have cooperated or would Tyson's rise been slower?

Clayton was able to pull off a threepeat title run with Tyson taking out the big three in order. That must have been well coordinated: Cayton-HBO-IBF/WBC/WBA - You would think much money mush have changed hands and would Gus D. have played along.

Not to mention also The Ring when Tyson beat Michael Spinks and also became lineal heavyweight champ. And anyone saying Tyson was overrated is crazy. He had 6 undisputed defenses against some pretty good contenders, including 2 as lineal champ. Not too bad, but not quite in the upper echelon.

[QueensburyRules]

Isn't that a popular trivia question: Who is the only HW to make The Ring's Top Ten his first year campaigning? A. Joe Louis

I am kind of surprised that didn't happen with Tyson. You would think with Gus D.'s prestige Tyson would get ranked quickly. I wonder if it was a scationing body thing . . . Please excuse my digression but considering Gus's willingness to war with the IBC (Patterson) how would Tyson's rise to the title played out if Gus had lived to deal with the scantioning bodies. Would he have cooperated or would Tyson's rise been slower?

Clayton was able to pull off a threepeat title run with Tyson taking out the big three in order. That must have been well coordinated: Cayton-HBO-IBF/WBC/WBA - You would think much money mush have changed hands and would Gus D. have played along.

- -Tyson was18 when he turned pro but fought only the usual suspects that first year, so asking for a Ring rating for an 18-19 kid failing to make the Olympic team a stretch even for Ring.

Here's their 1985 ratings published in March 86 with Berbick #7 even though Mike claimed his WBC title in Nov of 85. It's the Ring, so go figure what nobody else can as they continue on their muddled path: