Anyone watching this George Floyd trial?

[Real King Kong]

They may appear to be similar (being that they both use a knee), but not when you look at the fine details. The chief explicitly referred to this.

When asked if the method Chauvin used was taught, he says no. When they asked him to explain because the manual mentions two neck restraints, one using the arms (which is what the trainer said is the only one that is taught during training) and one using the legs, he says the difference is that only light to moderate pressure is used during the neck restraint, and that did not appear to be the case with Chauvin.

Now look at the two pictures and you will see the difference that the chief is talking about and why the head of training said it was some kind of improvised restraint that he used.


From your video: Sitting his weight back on his heel, clearly propping his body weight up on his foot.


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Chauvin: Putting his weight entirely on Floyd's neck.

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In the first picture, you can kneel like that with no one under you. In the second, you would fall forward onto your knee.

Not only that but the first picture is clearly the maximal restraint technique, or "hobble," that they've discussed during the trial (and you can see the pages in your video talking about it). You are to secure the legs to the waist with a band, and then immediately turn the subject over on their side. In the case of Chauvin, the officers pulled out the hobble restraint, but then decided not to use it.

Look at his response where he says the technique Chauvin used is not taught.

Like I said, it’s not outside the realm of what’s taught, he was just a ****head about it. Plenty of cops apply trained techniques excessively to stamp their “authority” on the situation or whatever. His downfall will be the fact that he stayed like that for 8-9 minutes.

[travestyny]

Like I said, it’s not outside the realm of what’s taught, he was just a ****head about it. Plenty of cops apply trained techniques excessively to stamp their “authority” on the situation or whatever. His downfall will be the fact that he stayed like that for 8-9 minutes.

Fair enough. There were long conversations about it today. The gist of it was something like it is used for cuffing, but not what Chauvin did to an already cuffed man. It's not the neck restraint either, which they described as the MMA triangle.

The defense is trying desperately to say he did it for so long because of traffic and a hostile environment created by the crowd. The prosecution is saying he didn't come off of him even after he had no pulse. The defense is trying to combat that by saying he might be combative after he was resurrected, so to speak.

I have this as 2nd degree murder. 3rd degree in the least. Manslaughter should be a lock, but I think that 2nd degree sticks and probably 3rd degree murder as well. To use that level of force with a man pleading for his life is beyond outrageous.

[Robbie Barrett]

Those other officers must be pretty damn pissed at Chauvin. One of the dudes was only on his fourth day at the job in that precinct. Lmao my god that’s awful.
by your fourth day on the job and you’re getting charged with 2nd degree murder lmao holy f.

Which makes me question, how much blame or responsibility do you place on the other officers involved?

This is different than just being an accessory aiding in murder or whatever. They were on duty doing their jobs.

I think the rookie will get off. He asked Chauvin twice if they should put him on his side and Chauvin said no. But then again that shows he knew what they were doing was wrong.

[Real King Kong]

Fair enough. There were long conversations about it today. The gist of it was something like it is used for cuffing, but not what Chauvin did to an already cuffed man. It's not the neck restraint either, which they described as the MMA triangle.

The defense is trying desperately to say he did it for so long because of traffic and a hostile environment created by the crowd. The prosecution is saying he didn't come off of him even after he had no pulse. The defense is trying to combat that by saying he might be combative after he was resurrected, so to speak.

I have this as 2nd degree murder. 3rd degree in the least. Manslaughter should be a lock, but I think that 2nd degree sticks and probably 3rd degree murder as well. To use that level of force with a man pleading for his life is beyond outrageous.

There’s really no excuse to need to do that for such a duration when there’s 3 people controlling one man in hand cuffs. The part about the hostility of the crowd may be valid, but he was the cause of that hostility.

2nd degree seems pushing it if they have to prove he was intentionally committing felony assault. Just the fact he was a cop responding to a crime and the suspect was resisting, makes that a tough sell imo. They might have some traction with the 3rd degree if nobody in the jury buys any of his excuses. It’ll be interesting to see if he takes the stand, his character and how he comes across could be the make or break there. The manslaughter charge is a slam dunk imo.

[Real King Kong]

If Chauvin kneeling like he did was wrong according to the brass than why was he not reprimanded for the 8 times he did it previously during arrests? Just a question.

Probably because nobody died those other times. Cops push the limits of acceptable force all the time, it’s the outcome that makes people take notice.

[travestyny]

There’s really no excuse to need to do that for such a duration when there’s 3 people controlling one man in hand cuffs. The part about the hostility of the crowd may be valid, but he was the cause of that hostility.

2nd degree seems pushing it if they have to prove he was intentionally committing felony assault. Just the fact he was a cop responding to a crime and the suspect was resisting, makes that a tough sell imo. They might have some traction with the 3rd degree if nobody in the jury buys any of his excuses. It’ll be interesting to see if he takes the stand, his character and how he comes across could be the make or break there. The manslaughter charge is a slam dunk imo.

That's the thing for me. It was clearly an assault if the guy is telling you that you're killing him and you're just going along with it, or if the guy doesn't have a pulse and you are still on his neck. The lieutenant called the knee deadly force. If that sticks, there is the assault right then and there. I think that's why the issue of force is so important.

So for the felony, they will try to get him on 3rd degree assault, which is assault that causes substantial bodily harm. We know there was substantial bodily harm, but is it defined as an assault, which does carry some intent to harm.

609.066 AUTHORIZED USE OF DEADLY FORCE BY PEACE OFFICERS.

Subdivision 1.Deadly force defined.

For the purposes of this section, "deadly force" means force which the actor uses with the purpose of causing, or which the actor should reasonably know creates a substantial risk of causing, death or great bodily harm.

Staying on a guys neck who doesn't have a pulse??? Yea, I'm sure he reasonably knew that would cause some harm. Plus they are bringing in all of his past trainers who are testifying that he should have known of the dangers of a knee to the neck and not putting Floyd on his side. They are doing a good job setting it up and will try to bring it all together at the end. But that's just the way I'm seeing this. We'll have to see what the jury believes.

[HewJohnson]

I think the rookie will get off. He asked Chauvin twice if they should put him on his side and Chauvin said no. But then again that shows he knew what they were doing was wrong.

I don’t believe the rookie officers should be charged with anything near what POS Chauvin will be getting.

They had barely graduated police academy approximately 6 months prior to.
They simply don’t have enough experience to be held accountable for not disobeying their superior, aka POS Chauvin.

One of them was questioning Chauvin about Floyd’s position and he was shot down by Chauvin.

If he were to physically attempt to remove Chauvin off George Floyd or anything of the sort he would probably end up punished. Pretty F’d up scenario.
like Officer Jake Hoyt in Training Day.

[Shadoww702]

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[CHOWWOKKA]

Im confused now. We went from the knee to the neck is not taught to police officers to it is taught but it is different.
Real world application is never text book.
Bunch of Karen's in here

[joseph5620]

Im confused now. We went from the knee to the neck is not taught to police officers to it is taught but it is different.
Real world application is never text book.
Bunch of Karen's in here

There is nothing to be confused about and it's not difficult to understand. A 5 year old can interpret what they are saying about it. You're just not intelligent enough to process it.