Anyone watching this George Floyd trial?

[joseph5620]

If it was racially motivated or not isn’t the issue for anyone, cuz he’s not being charged with a hate crime here. Race isn’t and absolutely shouldn’t be part of the equation in this trial. Nor is the “history of cops getting off for things like this”.

If you think it was murder, please articulate which degree and subsection, and how he’s guilty of it to the letter of that particular statute.

I was speaking about my personal feelings about the trial and it's an absolute fact that historically police officers have gotten away with murder. I can take you back to 1964 with that history if you want.



I don't need to "articulate" why he should be charged with murder and what degree when the DA has already put it out there for you to see why. Whether you choose to look at it or accept it is up to you.

[joseph5620]

It isn’t that cut and dry. Look at 2nd degree manslaughter for instance. This charge matches the situation best imo, and even with that, you have to prove he created an “unreasonable risk” or “consciously took a chance of causing death”. One could argue that without the heart condition and high levels of drugs in play, it wouldn’t have been an “unreasonable risk” or that he wouldn’t have felt he was “consciously taking a chance at causing death”, with a healthy person. They have to prove that he’s guilty of these crimes to the letter of the statute, not just go with what “feels right”.

Did you not read this?

Detective says Chauvin knee on neck a 'totally unnecessary' use of deadly force

“If your knee is on a person’s neck, that can kill them,” he said.







Lt Richard Zimmerman, who leads the homicide department, said in testimony on Friday that in four decades as a police officer he had never been trained to place a knee on someone’s neck as a means of restraining them during an arrest.


Looks like a cut and dry unreasonable risk to me as well as him consciously making a decision to cause harm or death.

[Real King Kong]

I was speaking about my personal feelings about the trial and it's an absolute fact that historically police officers have gotten away with murder. I can take you back to 1964 with that history if you want.



I don't need to "articulate" why he should be charged with murder and what degree when the DA has already put it out there for you to see why. Whether you choose to look at it or accept it is up to you.

I’m on the outside looking in, it doesn’t really make much of a difference to me. You’re the one spouting off like the ME ruling homicide makes this guy automatically guilty of murder. I was only saying it’s not that cut and dry, which you took exception to. It seems your opinions surrounding this are based mostly on emotions. If you’re gonna have a strong enough opinion to argue about it, at least be willing to discuss the basis of that opinion.

[DeltaSigChi4]

No. Some of us have jobs.

[joseph5620]

I’m on the outside looking in, it doesn’t really make much of a difference to me. You’re the one spouting off like the ME ruling homicide makes this guy automatically guilty of murder. I was only saying it’s not that cut and dry, which you took exception to. It seems your opinions surrounding this are based mostly on emotions. If you’re gonna have a strong enough opinion to argue about it, at least be willing to discuss the basis of that opinion.

I've already told you that I believe its murder based on these charges.




Minnesota Second- and Third- Degree Murder Statutes


The following table details the second- and third-degree murder laws in Minnesota.

Code Sections

Minnesota Statutes Sections 609.19 – and 609.195 –

What’s Prohibited?

Minnesota law prohibits intentional and unintentional killings under most circumstances. Those killings prohibited as include: Killing a human intentionally, but without (not thinking about or preparing for before) Killing a human while committing or attempting a Causing someone’s death without intending the death of anyone, while committing a felony other than criminal ***ual conduct (**** or which would be first-degree murder) or a drive

Third-degree murder in Minnesota is causing someone’s death by one of two ways:

• A or mind murder, which places others in eminent danger of death and disregarding human life (such as shooting a gun into a crowd for fun, but not intending to kill anyone)
• Causing someone’s death by selling, giving away, or administering a (such as selling someone adulterated heroin that kills them)

If you don't think that applies to Chauvin then we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not changing my stance on this and I'm sure you aren't either.

[BodyBagz]

You're using the general definition for murder. I'm referring to the charges against Chauvin based on the law.


Minnesota Second- and Third- Degree Murder Statutes


The following table details the second- and third-degree murder laws in Minnesota.

Code Sections

Minnesota Statutes Sections 609.19 – and 609.195 –

What’s Prohibited?

Minnesota law prohibits intentional and unintentional killings under most circumstances. Those killings prohibited as include: Killing a human intentionally, but without (not thinking about or preparing for before) Killing a human while committing or attempting a Causing someone’s death without intending the death of anyone, while committing a felony other than criminal ***ual conduct (**** or which would be first-degree murder) or a drive

Third-degree murder in Minnesota is causing someone’s death by one of two ways:

• A or mind murder, which places others in eminent danger of death and disregarding human life (such as shooting a gun into a crowd for fun, but not intending to kill anyone)
• Causing someone’s death by selling, giving away, or administering a (such as selling someone adulterated heroin that kills them)

As far as your second question previously, I would assume most normal people would take the lives of their loved ones over money. I can't speak for how Floyd's family is thinking and it has no relevance to this case.

Your detailed list would have been helpful many posts ago (if it were, I missed it).

The way you made it sound, Cop was wait for George SPECIFICALLY to break the law so he can do what he did. That the cop spent any time planning on what he would do should George step out of line again.

I don't even feel the cop had ''murder'' on his mind. All of this Monday night QB'ing is clouding people judgement.
George was no small fry (6'4'',6'6'' 230 lbs. Cop is 5'9'' ). He was hopped up. He didn't go peacefully. Shlt happens.

Maybe murder in the 5th degree ?

Let's break down a person worth, because people here obviously can't be honest -
A no good dope fiend or a ton of cash

Just so we play the game in both directions, a bunch of cash or a law abiding tax paying family member.
While a bunch of cash is hard to turn down, I'm 10000000 % certain NO ONE would turn in $1000 for a drug abusing felon.

[BodyBagz]

Do you have any family members you’d trade in for a piece of some millions?

I gave this much consideration. And I would not trade my mother or younger sister for any amount of money. God knows this.

[BodyBagz]

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Derek is the shrimp in orange

[TJ highway]

Did you not read this?

Detective says Chauvin knee on neck a 'totally unnecessary' use of deadly force

“If your knee is on a person’s neck, that can kill them,” he said.







Lt Richard Zimmerman, who leads the homicide department, said in testimony on Friday that in four decades as a police officer he had never been trained to place a knee on someone’s neck as a means of restraining them during an arrest.


Looks like a cut and dry unreasonable risk to me as well as him consciously making a decision to cause harm or death.

LOL! I'm surprised Lt Richard Zimmerman isn't the Chief of police yet. In the late 80's it was commonly taught UOF tactic to use The carotid restraint hold is a technique used by officers to restrict blood flow to a person's brain by compressing the sides of the neck where the carotid arteries are located.

The mistake Ofcr Chauvin did was the placement of the knee on the neck. Only he can explain that. We were taught when fighting a combative suspect to place a knee and or both depending on the size of the suspect to keep him from getting up off the ground. Had he not been combative the officers would have sat him up once hand cuffs were placed on him. In the case of a really big suspect sometimes two sets of handcuffs to allow him to breathe easier. But until he stops resisting he stays on the ground.

It looks ugly but police work is ugly. This isn't Mayberry R.F.D.

Lt Richard Zimmerman is an office poge or a climber. I wonder how many fights he's been?

If I were there I would have told Chauvin to place the knee on the back.

As for you idiots who want to convict all officers present. There was clearly a hostile crowd. Their job is to protect the perimeter. So the focus is on the crowd not the suspect.

But truth be told ****** was already O Ding.

[travestyny]

LOL! I'm surprised Lt Richard Zimmerman isn't the Chief of police yet. In the late 80's it was commonly taught UOF tactic to use The carotid restraint hold is a technique used by officers to restrict blood flow to a person's brain by compressing the sides of the neck where the carotid arteries are located.

The mistake Ofcr Chauvin did was the placement of the knee on the neck. Only he can explain that. We were taught when fighting a combative suspect to place a knee and or both depending on the size of the suspect to keep him from getting up off the ground. Had he not been combative the officers would have sat him up once hand cuffs were placed on him. In the case of a really big suspect sometimes two sets of handcuffs to allow him to breathe easier. But until he stops resisting he stays on the ground.

It looks ugly but police work is ugly. This isn't Mayberry R.F.D.

Lt Richard Zimmerman is an office poge or a climber. I wonder how many fights he's been?

If I were there I would have told Chauvin to place the knee on the back.

As for you idiots who want to convict all officers present. There was clearly a hostile crowd. Their job is to protect the perimeter. So the focus is on the crowd not the suspect.

But truth be told ****** was already O Ding.

I swear I'm not following you around, so don't get hostile. We just seem to post at the same times since I'm up early for business.


Anyway, the "hostile crowd" was effectively controlled by ONE officer. There were 4 officers present. Come on now.

It was already stated by a couple of officers that the manner Floyd was restrained was improper. Place the knee to get him in handcuffs perhaps, not when he is already in handcuffs. He should have not been held prone, in handcuffs, with a knee on his neck. The officers were clear about this.