Comments Thread For: Team Andre Ward: Golovkin's Side is Running For Cover

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Furthermore his age is one more very good reason for Golovkin not to waste time chasing fights which have a good chance of falling through or being cancelled, as happened with the Jr fight, and looks entirely possible with Wards ongoing legal issues.

But chasing a Ward fight would be a risky but the most logical thing to do for GGG if he wants to build his legacy. What he want to do in his lame division? Beat Quillin, Soliman and a two size smaller Cotto? What does it do for his legacy compare to a hypothetic win over Ward? Or even Froch. The only sensible opponent for him, who is almost a middleweight is Canelo, but nobody else. If he really believes in himself I think he has to go to the stacked 154 division or go to 168. What he feels more comfortable out of the two, because both of these are better than the middleweight right now and probably 2 years later will be also better. I don't think that he can't make just one singel weight pretty comfotably and he has to stick to this division. If he can make 154 comfortable, maybe that's the best choice because the 154 is even more stacked than the 168 and if he goes to super WW maybe that opens some opportunity against fighters from the also very stacked WW division.
It's okay if you stay in you own division (I oftenly don't understand fighters who are jump from division to division lightning fast...) and try to conquer it, but it only makes sense if your division is strong enough and wort it, otherwise it's just wasted time... Now, this MW division out of Golovkin is probablyone of the weakest divisions right now in the sport, so it makes no sense to stay there and hunt for the Quillins and Solimans of the world.

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It's almost never only one half's fault. I guess Golovkin made wrong decisions as well and this is why he wasted the half of his carreer in Universum and after that he signed with the lame ass K2. Or you really think that he is only a victim and he couldn't do anything? Only others fault?

Everyone blames Ward because his inactivity and the lawsuit but at least he positioned himslef as a #2 P4P fighter before, but Golovkin is 32 now and try to position himself now after he spent 6 years with beating bums under Universum... So who ****ed up his carreer more? Okay we can't say it now, but if we're talking about facts, the facts show us that Ward is 2 years younger than Golovkin and has (and already had four years ago) an out and way better resume than Golovkin now (at age 32). When Ward's contract with Goossen will be officially over in 2016, that time Ward will be in the same age as Golovkin now. So there goes the "Ward never be active again" or "Ward kill his whole carreer" arguement. It's not good that he is inactive, sure, but try not to say for sure at least not as "facts" (not you, but Elroy) that he won't even come back and he is done. So the lawsuit and thefact that Golovkin became a fashionable name in boxing and he can be a star in the next few years is a relatively new 1-2 year(s) old thing and not a constant estate. And if you compare their resumes in their whole carreer, the man who woke up late and wasted his years is GGG, not Ward, Ward already cleaned up a strong SMW division, he earned himslef P4P #2 spot and etc... What did Golvokin during this time? And though for Ward's carreer this lawsuit is definitely not good, he isn't done, I'm sure in this.
And yeah, it's harderin a weight calss loaded with weak champions, but what doe it make for Golovkin's legacy if he sty at 160 and hunts for opponents like Quillin, Solimna, or the natural WW Cotto? Great resumes and level of oppositions are make legacies, Golovkin is 32 and still hunt for these guys who aren't the biggest chalenges to be hinest. This is why he needs to move up to fight with guys like Froch, Dirrell or Ward, there are the good oppositions, not in 160. MW is a lame division. And you can argue that why Ward isn't move up to 175 but at least he already put a hellof a resume on the table. And now he is inactive and one year later I think the only serious challenge for him in 175 will be just Stevenson, or nobody, based on I think B-Hop will handle Kovalev and one year later B-Hop will be in retirement. If Stevenson will be a challenge or not will it's up to the end of a possibly B-Hop Vs Stevenson fight if there will be. But I'm almost sure that if (I don't think so) Kovalev will beat B-Hop, he will become a big name and Ward will fight with him, maybe at cw. So he will fight whoever will be the unified champion unless that person will be B-Hop (I see a good chance for this) because probably he will go to retirement just after the unification bout.

"Let them eat cake". Hey dumba$$, did it ever occur to you that for a Kazakh kid with no fanbase, Universum was the only game in town. You think he got offers from everyone at the time? Youd be wrong, but probably well used to it.

Why are you putting down K2? They did a fantastic job with him

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But chasing a Ward fight would be a risky but the most logical thing to do for GGG if he wants to build his legacy. What he want to do in his lame division? Beat Quillin, Soliman and a two size smaller Cotto? What does it do for his legacy compare to a hypothetic win over Ward? Or even Froch. The only sensible opponent for him, who is almost a middleweight is Canelo, but nobody else. If he really believes in himself I think he has to go to the stacked 154 division or go to 168. What he feels more comfortable out of the two, because both of these are better than the middleweight right now and probably 2 years later will be also better. I don't think that he can't make just one singel weight pretty comfotably and he has to stick to this division. If he can make 154 comfortable, maybe that's the best choice because the 154 is even more stacked than the 168 and if he goes to super WW maybe that opens some opportunity against fighters from the also very stacked WW division.
It's okay if you stay in you own division (I oftenly don't understand fighters who are jump from division to division lightning fast...) and try to conquer it, but it only makes sense if your division is strong enough and wort it, otherwise it's just wasted time... Now, this MW division out of Golovkin is probablyone of the weakest divisions right now in the sport, so it makes no sense to stay there and hunt for the Quillins and Solimans of the world.

He doesnt have to move up or down, he can take those fights as one offs when offered. So far zero offers from Smw or Sww, except for Chavez who decluned to sign

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He doesnt have to move up or down, he can take those fights as one offs when offered. So far zero offers from Smw or Sww, except for Chavez who decluned to sign

So he should stay in a weak divison and wait for other champions form other divisions? I don't think so. Golovkin's case IMO is the perfect example when a fighter needs to change his weightclass. I'm almost sure that it's possible and noralwise I don't like when fighters change their division day after day, but Golovkin isin MW for a long time and now the case is his weight division is one of the weakest so yes he suppose to change it to other.

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Why are you putting down K2? They did a fantastic job with him

K2 does a bad promotional job. With Golovkin's attributes and style he could be a far bigger name by now but he lack of credible opponents and not just because "they scared of him" don't get completelly fooled by this talk... If K2 would suggest more money for his opponenets, his opponents' level of competition wouldn't be this poor and his resume probably would be better (depends on if he would win the bigger fights or not).
Look at Kovalev who IMO obviously not as good as Golovkin and more likely a hypetrain (we will see on the 8th of November) plus he started his carreer later than GGG and he is 30 years old but he just signed a contract for a big money, unification fight with Hopkins. Something Main Events did better than K2... Okay it's also because Hopkins wanted this way but I don't believe in that the thing are depend on just one half, so I think something Maind Events do significally better than K2.

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For all the rubbish from Ward supporters which I wont bother to even resond to..

What's the overwhelming outcome of a fight likely to be?

Golovkin KO3 Ward.

Case closed!

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So he should stay in a weak divison and wait for other champions form other divisions? I don't think so. Golovkin's case IMO is the perfect example when a fighter needs to change his weightclass. I'm almost sure that it's possible and noralwise I don't like when fighters change their division day after day, but Golovkin isin MW for a long time and now the case is his weight division is one of the weakest so yes he suppose to change it to other.

Why? So he would not be getting good fights in another division? MW will get better, most of these SWW weigh more than him fight night and will have to move up. But if he gets a very good offer at 68 or 54, he should take it. But nobody is offering.

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For all the rubbish from Ward supporters which I wont bother to even resond to..

What's the overwhelming outcome of a fight likely to be?

Golovkin KO3 Ward.

Case closed!

Still ducking my questions.
At least I can say arguements. You just say Ward maybe used to beat GGG but now Golovkin would KO him. But you base this on literally nothing, or as far you couldn't tell me a singel arguement of why you think that this would be the outcome of the fight.

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K2 does a bad promotional job. With Golovkin's attributes and style he could be a far bigger name by now but he lack of credible opponents and not just because "they scared of him" don't get completelly fooled by this talk... If K2 would suggest more money for his opponenets, his opponents' level of competition wouldn't be this poor and his resume probably would be better (depends on if he would win the bigger fights or not).
Look at Kovalev who IMO obviously not as good as Golovkin and more likely a hypetrain (we will see on the 8th of November) plus he started his carreer later than GGG and he is 30 years old but he just signed a contract for a big money, unification fight with Hopkins. Something Main Events did better than K2... Okay it's also because Hopkins wanted this way but I don't believe in that the thing are depend on just one half, so I think something Maind Events do significally better than K2.

Youre clueless. How many 30+ yr old Kazakhs with poor English done better than him? In 2 years they took him from zero to most talked about fighter in the sport
. heres Frochs promoter to set you straight

"If you want to be critical of Golovkin you can break down his opponents and show they�re not absolute elite level. That�s not Golovkin�s fault because you have to pay an absolute fortune to get anyone to fight him."

"There is not 10 million in the pot to tempt the likes of Cotto or Chavez to fight him, which is the sum they�d want for that kind of fight. It�s definitely a career-threatening fight."

"Yes, Froch is financially comfortable, but that doesn�t mean he�ll get in the ring for less than he deserves, and that is a horrible, dangerous fight."

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Well you're an idiot, nothing new. GGG just smashed a top 5 rated MW.

Why is Team Ward asking the B-sider to send an offer? It doesnt work like that, right dumba$$?

So Hopkins crossed over to HBO, why isnt Lara trying?

What are you talking about? Count how many Gbp/Haymon guys fought on Hbo in the past 6
1.5 years. Lemme help you since i see you're clueless. Zero

Like who? Theyve pretty much stopped calling Quillin out since he passed before getting banned from Hbo. They sent him an offer recently since the situation changed at Gbp with Schaefer getting fired. And Floyd of course, which is a fight big enough to risk screwing Hbo.

For Quillin it was probably a carryover from him passing and giving excuses earlier. And then continuing to give excuses when he shoulda just shut up

Hey dude, both Ward and Hopkins offered to drop to 160 for Floyd, cause they cant get near as much money or exposure elsewhere. At least GGG was willing to meet him at Floyds weight, where Floyd holds belts

I don't think it does but he probably will soon, especially if Ward stays awol. At this point it'll take good money for him to fight at 168. Chavez' people offered that, Froch could if he wanted the fight. Wards people somehow expect the B sider to make the offer

"Let them eat cake". Hey dumba$$, did it ever occur to you that for a Kazakh kid with no fanbase, Universum was the only game in town. You think he got offers from everyone at the time? Youd be wrong, but probably well used to it.

Why are you putting down K2? They did a fantastic job with him

He doesnt have to move up or down, he can take those fights as one offs when offered. So far zero offers from Smw or Sww, except for Chavez who decluned to sign

Why? So he would not be getting good fights in another division? MW will get better, most of these SWW weigh more than him fight night and will have to move up. But if he gets a very good offer at 68 or 54, he should take it. But nobody is offering.

Youre clueless. How many 30+ yr old Kazakhs with poor English done better than him? In 2 years they took him from zero to most talked about fighter in the sport
. heres Frochs promoter to set you straight

Look at this b1tch made ass f@gg0t working triple OT to defend his wet dream.