Which boxer has the best power mechanics?

[AlexKid]

So not necessarily the best puncher but he just has the best skill when it comes to generating a big punch

[aboutfkntime]

Which boxer has the best power mechanics?

Which boxer has the best power mechanics?

definitely Canelo !

he is better in every department

besides, you can see from the photo that Golovkin needs to work on his stance... and he is wide open, that is terrible defence

[QueensburyRules]

definitely Canelo !

he is better in every department

besides, you can see from the photo that Golovkin needs to work on his stance... and he is wide open, that is terrible defence

- -He's looking down on the fighter he just flattened.

Which kid has the best kiddie persona?

[Commie]

Power mechanics are found in Olympic weightlifting

[Marchegiano]

Marciano and it isn't even close. I've written at length about it before, no one gives a ****, so I'll just give you some **** to look at.

Step one, forget boxing. Boxing's official stance is the least scientific **** you could possibly say about power. "Power is something you are born with" is total nonsense. You have to know, even if you believe that garbage, you have to know not a single scientific paper was ever written centered around the belief that power is just some magic-natural gift from the gods that can't be explained.

Step two, look up some basic kinesiology, get the basics for the physics of the human body down. It's going to cover power, energy, force, velocity, etc.

Step three, with new eyes take a ****in' peak at the kinematic chains my man Marciano employs. ****in' ridculous this guy. Full body punching, everything behind the knuckle, everything, his entire body slung, hard, his entire skeletal structure forming a newton's cradle from fist to foot and back again, ther is no where for the energy to go but the opponent, AND, this is important, this is what cuts him above everyone else, no where for the equal-opposite reactive force to go but back to the point of it's origin, IE, the part of the body Marciano just hit. ****in' destroyer.


It's a GD shame so many people get so caught up in covaluted ass triangle theory BS they fail to see the absolutely inhuman marvel that is 925ft-lbs or how that stat's existence alone begs serious and in depth analysis by any who would consider themselves a student of the sport.

Instead, and you know it's true. You ****** mother ****ers say some **** like "but if George were measured doe"

Tell a gun nut with no boxing knowledge whatsoever about Marciano's 925 and see if they even believe it is humanly possible. Then tell them Marciano was only 185. Watch as the struggle to understand a man with more energy in his fist than half their ****in' gun cache can deliver.


It is amazing. I am a prosthetics inventor and history is my hobby. I became a fan of boxing because Marciano's form is scientifically ****ing amazing AND his historical reach equals it. Marciano uses bare knuckle era techniques, you know.....the time when boxing simply was centered around power, and through his bare knuckle era tech he found ancient sword and shield ways.

The dude is both a scientific and historical marvel, has the stats and record to back it up, but somehow, some way, not good enough to simple be acknowledged. Not even in a technical breakdown of power....ffs.


Want to see kinematic chains in boxing? Watch Rock

Want to see ancient hoplites in boxing? Watch Rock

Want to see bare knuckle techniques in the gloved era? Watch Rock.


Honestly, you don't even need a degree in physics. I don't believe that's true at all, I don't believe you need to spend much time in physics at all to understand Marciano. I believe most boxing fans have been taught to disregard him because he breaks a ton of boxing assumptions. Too small, too clumsy, too basic, lucky to have a weak era. Been a lot of weak eras, from 686BC to now there's only one Marciano. Instead of writing the man off maybe give him the smallest benefit of doubt and try to learn how he did what he did.

GOAT, King, Juggernaut of the h2h, okay, argue yer ***** ass triangle theory resume BS, but, when it comes to who structured their punches to deliver the most power, no argument, stfu, it's Rocky by a GD mile. George Foreman, Canelo , Joe Frazier, Earnie Shavers, etc don't even have the balls to give up defensive posture enough to even come close or be considered against Marciano's full force form.

[billeau2]

Marciano and it isn't even close. I've written at length about it before, no one gives a ****, so I'll just give you some **** to look at.

Step one, forget boxing. Boxing's official stance is the least scientific **** you could possibly say about power. "Power is something you are born with" is total nonsense. You have to know, even if you believe that garbage, you have to know not a single scientific paper was ever written centered around the belief that power is just some magic-natural gift from the gods that can't be explained.

Step two, look up some basic kinesiology, get the basics for the physics of the human body down. It's going to cover power, energy, force, velocity, etc.

Step three, with new eyes take a ****in' peak at the kinematic chains my man Marciano employs. ****in' ridculous this guy. Full body punching, everything behind the knuckle, everything, his entire body slung, hard, his entire skeletal structure forming a newton's cradle from fist to foot and back again, ther is no where for the energy to go but the opponent, AND, this is important, this is what cuts him above everyone else, no where for the equal-opposite reactive force to go but back to the point of it's origin, IE, the part of the body Marciano just hit. ****in' destroyer.


It's a GD shame so many people get so caught up in covaluted ass triangle theory BS they fail to see the absolutely inhuman marvel that is 925ft-lbs or how that stat's existence alone begs serious and in depth analysis by any who would consider themselves a student of the sport.

Instead, and you know it's true. You ****** mother ****ers say some **** like "but if George were measured doe"

Tell a gun nut with no boxing knowledge whatsoever about Marciano's 925 and see if they even believe it is humanly possible. Then tell them Marciano was only 185. Watch as the struggle to understand a man with more energy in his fist than half their ****in' gun cache can deliver.


It is amazing. I am a prosthetics inventor and history is my hobby. I became a fan of boxing because Marciano's form is scientifically ****ing amazing AND his historical reach equals it. Marciano uses bare knuckle era techniques, you know.....the time when boxing simply was centered around power, and through his bare knuckle era tech he found ancient sword and shield ways.

The dude is both a scientific and historical marvel, has the stats and record to back it up, but somehow, some way, not good enough to simple be acknowledged. Not even in a technical breakdown of power....ffs.


Want to see kinematic chains in boxing? Watch Rock

Want to see ancient hoplites in boxing? Watch Rock

Want to see bare knuckle techniques in the gloved era? Watch Rock.


Honestly, you don't even need a degree in physics. I don't believe that's true at all, I don't believe you need to spend much time in physics at all to understand Marciano. I believe most boxing fans have been taught to disregard him because he breaks a ton of boxing assumptions. Too small, too clumsy, too basic, lucky to have a weak era. Been a lot of weak eras, from 686BC to now there's only one Marciano. Instead of writing the man off maybe give him the smallest benefit of doubt and try to learn how he did what he did.

GOAT, King, Juggernaut of the h2h, okay, argue yer ***** ass triangle theory resume BS, but, when it comes to who structured their punches to deliver the most power, no argument, stfu, it's Rocky by a GD mile. George Foreman, Canelo , Joe Frazier, Earnie Shavers, etc don't even have the balls to give up defensive posture enough to even come close or be considered against Marciano's full force form.

People in this section should be able to appreciate your take. i want to second this as I always do when you post it... These chains, are what is taught as the art in martial arts.

When the Japanese brought Ju Jutsu around after the great war there was a mutual infatuation: The old English guys, who had been fencers, marvelled at the mechanics, the Japanese marvelled at the strength and size of these new students.

The kinematic chain is the same conceptually as what is called communitive locking in the grappling arts. Under the aegis of both concepts, an action completes in a manner where power comes from the ground, vis a vis the most distant point and the idea is to finish with as much of that initial power in tact, as possible. I know this is an offhand way to think of it M, but bare with me, it makes sense when we consider Newton and a few more particulars...Anyway we direct that power, preserve it...through biomechanical efficiency.

With communitive locking: When I grab your wrist, tense and push hard...I have taken all the power out of the initial grab and stopped it at your wrist, If I try to go on after this tension I will have "dead" technique, no more flow, energy, control...Hence I will try to use brute strength. So to keep the communitive sequence, when I grab the wrist and turn, I move the wrist so the elbow of the opponent becomes isolated, either against him, or away from him exended...If I tense here I break all the biomechanical energy, I leak...all that energy goes away from the initial movement, but if I keep responsive and turn the elbow towards the shoulder and make a circular movement with the arm controlling the shoulder...i bring the energy from the ground, to the wrist, to the elbow, into the shoulder. The shoulder becomes the link where I control the body and can throw, break, etc.

In this sequence I can at any time arrest the sequence but I am always working to control the balance and position of the person with biomechanical efficiency. This is the basis for the more technical aspects of the Ju Jutsu systems, particularly AkiJutsu.

Now with the kinematic, the power is in the ground, as the body comes forward...Again, one way to look at it is how much of this energy will stay with us through the punch? Initially as the weight comes forward the hand come out there are two things that will maximize our force: We want to hit our target with as small a part of our hand (pounds per Square inch) at the exact same time the foot hits the ground (Joe Gans was a master of this, Dempsey taught it to him). The other thing is to have the arm extended like a pike. This braces our structure and makes a straight line trajectory of force from our back foot/the ground to the target. If the arm bends energy leaks...if the hand hits after the foot energy leaks...

There are different ways of accomplishing biomechanical efficiency. Marciano was taught by Goldman and developed a way of throwing his punches like a catcher throwing a ball...Dempsey used methods seen in chinese boxing, particularly Hsing Yi. Marciano made sure with his weight placement that he was not rocked backwards... which would be a major way to lose power via Neutons action/reaction laws of bodies.

And yes!!! these things can be taught!!! they are not gift bestowed.

And lets talk of Louis. When you watch Louis punching he never seems to need to get power. Ray Robinon is another one... the punch never needs to be ****ed back, the shoulders never ahve to break the plane of the front knee, it looks effortless. This is another characteristic of the kinematic chain that separates the trained from the untrained. The trained realize through feedback, and familiarity with the form, that power is in the movements and one does not need to try to produce it. Liston is another one... Liston when finishing never tries to hit harder...he tried to position himself so he is at the perfect range. He trusts that the power is in the punch. When we do not leak all our biomechanical energy we have plenty of power to hit the target.

[Marchegiano]

People in this section should be able to appreciate your take. i want to second this as I always do when you post it... These chains, are what is taught as the art in martial arts.

When the Japanese brought Ju Jutsu around after the great war there was a mutual infatuation: The old English guys, who had been fencers, marvelled at the mechanics, the Japanese marvelled at the strength and size of these new students.

The kinematic chain is the same conceptually as what is called communitive locking in the grappling arts. Under the aegis of both concepts, an action completes in a manner where power comes from the ground, vis a vis the most distant point and the idea is to finish with as much of that initial power in tact, as possible. I know this is an offhand way to think of it M, but bare with me, it makes sense when we consider Newton and a few more particulars...Anyway we direct that power, preserve it...through biomechanical efficiency.

With communitive locking: When I grab your wrist, tense and push hard...I have taken all the power out of the initial grab and stopped it at your wrist, If I try to go on after this tension I will have "dead" technique, no more flow, energy, control...Hence I will try to use brute strength. So to keep the communitive sequence, when I grab the wrist and turn, I move the wrist so the elbow of the opponent becomes isolated, either against him, or away from him exended...If I tense here I break all the biomechanical energy, I leak...all that energy goes away from the initial movement, but if I keep responsive and turn the elbow towards the shoulder and make a circular movement with the arm controlling the shoulder...i bring the energy from the ground, to the wrist, to the elbow, into the shoulder. The shoulder becomes the link where I control the body and can throw, break, etc.

In this sequence I can at any time arrest the sequence but I am always working to control the balance and position of the person with biomechanical efficiency. This is the basis for the more technical aspects of the Ju Jutsu systems, particularly AkiJutsu.

Now with the kinematic, the power is in the ground, as the body comes forward...Again, one way to look at it is how much of this energy will stay with us through the punch? Initially as the weight comes forward the hand come out there are two things that will maximize our force: We want to hit our target with as small a part of our hand (pounds per Square inch) at the exact same time the foot hits the ground (Joe Gans was a master of this, Dempsey taught it to him). The other thing is to have the arm extended like a pike. This braces our structure and makes a straight line trajectory of force from our back foot/the ground to the target. If the arm bends energy leaks...if the hand hits after the foot energy leaks...

There are different ways of accomplishing biomechanical efficiency. Marciano was taught by Goldman and developed a way of throwing his punches like a catcher throwing a ball...Dempsey used methods seen in chinese boxing, particularly Hsing Yi. Marciano made sure with his weight placement that he was not rocked backwards... which would be a major way to lose power via Neutons action/reaction laws of bodies.

And yes!!! these things can be taught!!! they are not gift bestowed.

And lets talk of Louis. When you watch Louis punching he never seems to need to get power. Ray Robinon is another one... the punch never needs to be ****ed back, the shoulders never ahve to break the plane of the front knee, it looks effortless. This is another characteristic of the kinematic chain that separates the trained from the untrained. The trained realize through feedback, and familiarity with the form, that power is in the movements and one does not need to try to produce it. Liston is another one... Liston when finishing never tries to hit harder...he tried to position himself so he is at the perfect range. He trusts that the power is in the punch. When we do not leak all our biomechanical energy we have plenty of power to hit the target.

this is a great post.

If yer skimmin' and only got time to read one longer post read this one, skip mine.

[billeau2]

this is a great post.

If yer skimmin' and only got time to read one longer post read this one, skip mine.

Stop that!!

You bring this up from time to time and it is very important because it goes to the heart of why Marciano was so special. I quoted you not long ago about this M. As historians this is real blood and guts research. Your occupation with prosthetics makes this a real insight gleened as well.

It took me many years to appreciate something that would appear minor: When practicing to gain ground how does one set the weight, align the body so they move the fastest?

It seems to me that Marciano did it with evolutionary biomechanics. Whether it be throwing a ball from the ear, holding the hands up over the head to hit down, or holding a clubbing weapon in such a manner, our bodies have evolved to hit downwards. We can watch other primates fighting and we will always see these body dynamics in play. Nothing remotely resembling boxing... No punches coming up into the groin, the chin, the eye areas... all areas unprotected by nature, all force going down, where nature provides support: the forehead, the shoulders...all vital area tucked in from this angle of attack.

There would appear to be two fundamental problems to solve when adapting these mechanics to a controlled setting such as a boxing ring: First and less important: what do we do with that 30 odd pound weight between our shoulders? Second and more important yet...How do we best move so when we hit we are stable, and have our weight & force maximized?

Marciano, no doubt would discover through trial and tribulation, that the head could compel one, simply tilting it forwards makes one go forwards.

As far as moving forwards: as long as we are not moving backwards we are directing force properly. When we ground the force properly we can make it more efficient but coming forwards, not being on the heels when hitting is the first part of Newton's law to control. Hank Armstrong did it this way to an extent, often being in a wrestler's pose all weight forwards driving his man back.

First Dempsey and then Marciano took it further and we see efforts to ground the punches thrown. Dempsey brilliantly taught people to lurch forwards and just as it appeared the leg could not get there in time to take the weight, put it out...thus teaching one to deal with weight and not controlled measures. This weight was converted to work through the Kinematic chain you discuss M. the hand arrives as the foot sets...Alas that was Dempsey.

Marciano because he fought out of a more fundamental fighting position grounded his punches different. Hitting down on the object gave him gravity, anatomical efficiency, with forward momentum to keep him bombinating forward.

[OctoberRed]

At one point people said it was Royce Gracia.

[TonyGe]

It has to be that kid from Japan Naoya Inoue. I watched a video of him on Rummy's Corner and his punches are a thing of beauty. Wilder although he gets a lot of flack has to have great mechanics because he's knocking fighters out with a single punch.