who the greatest middleweight of all time

[butterfly1964]

great post from Ali fanboy
Robinson still won middleweight title when he was 39 years old. Ali was done when he was 32, looked like **** after that in most fights and needed gift decisions against Young likes.

slow boxers such as fullmer and lamotta gave robinson trouble, whereas no slow-footed boxer would give ali trouble. but as i said robinson is still the greatest middleweight.

[Da Iceman]

fullmer fought robinson after (i think) a 4 or 5 year layoff, so i imagine he lost speed like ali(after his layoff). and it took lamotta 5 times to beat robinson out of 6 so thats not really giving him trouble.

[butterfly1964]

fullmer fought robinson after (i think) a 4 or 5 year layoff, so i imagine he lost speed like ali(after his layoff). and it took lamotta 5 times to beat robinson out of 6 so thats not really giving him trouble.

yeah, but lumbering fools like george foreman, sonny liston, cleveland williams, ernie terrel, and george chuvalo would get beaten by ali 10 times out of 10.

[Da Iceman]

those are diffrent fighters who fight with diffrent styles

[hellfire508]

1. Marvin Hagler
2. Carlos Monzon
3. Harry Greb
4. Sugar Ray Robinson
5. Mickey Walker
6. Tony Zale
7. Stanley Ketchel
8. Bernard Hopkins
9. Gene Fullmer
10. **** Tiger
11. Jake LaMotta

I want to put Ketchel higher, but ATM I can't. I'm going to revisit Zale and Walker's career again to make a case for Ketchel.

Leonard should not be top of anyone's list for middleweight.

[hellfire508]

BTW - I feel head-to-head, Robinson may actually be number 1. I think he could beat Hagler - however Monzon would give him the most trouble. With his height and long arms, I feel Monzon could pull a decision over Robinson. Then I think Hagler would beat Monzon. It's styles with those three.

[Reezy]

sugar ray robinson

[fistlegend]

sugar ray robinson with ease followed by hagler or duran

[fabulous]

BTW - I feel head-to-head, Robinson may actually be number 1. I think he could beat Hagler - however Monzon would give him the most trouble. With his height and long arms, I feel Monzon could pull a decision over Robinson. Then I think Hagler would beat Monzon. It's styles with those three.

Monzon doesn't have comfortable style for Hagler either.

[KingAbdullah]

I see Hagler as #1.

too much power. Too much ferocity. Too much tenacity. His abilities were vast and boundless. His chin was unmatched (never hit the canvas). His right jab a devastating head-snapping weapon. His right like hook the hammer of Thor whom nothing could stand in its wake. Too many guns and too much offensive diversity.

In his early days as champion possessed a defense only the best fighters could dream of. Hitting hagler was harder than hitting a cloud. The unmatched conditioning allowed him to be on his toes for 15 rounds non stop without barely slowing. Not that anyone could actually stay in with marvin for 15.

Was just as effective taking the fight to a man as he was at boxing. marvin could transform himself into a bull like the great Marcel Cerdan if need be, snuffing out a man in short order like kronk stablemates Caveman Lee and Thomas Hearns.

let's see Monzon try that. he couldn't great as he was. That's why I rank Roy Jones above Monzon. he wouldn't be able to take the fight to him-didn't have the sustained physiology to cope with the vastly superior speed and reflexes of Jones. His jab wouldn't mean **** to Roy who would constantly beat him to the punch and wasn't built for for bulling Jones to the ropes and working on the inside.

My picks:
Hagler at number one
Greb
Cerdan
Jones
Robinson (1950-51 only)Perhaps Robbie could be fourth but Roy was that good so I'm not that much off.