who the greatest middleweight of all time

[Soliloquy]

Nice points but I think I'm speaking for all of us when I say "enough excuses already?". If he was THAT great of a middleweight I don't think he would underestimate and not train for Turpin, underestimate Lamotta, and still with the flu easily outclass Basilio. Sounds like you've been reading the biography that HE wrote

Fighters don't always tell the truth, you should know that. He lost most of those fights at middleweight fair and square when Hagler never lost a fight during his prime and destroyed opponents such as Hearns, Mugabi, etc.

Good points, too hard to tell. Let's see what others say.

[LethalRight79]

Nice points but I think I'm speaking for all of us when I say "enough excuses already?". If he was THAT great of a middleweight I don't think he would underestimate and not train for Turpin, underestimate Lamotta, and still with the flu easily outclass Basilio. Sounds like you've been reading the biography that HE wrote

Fighters don't always tell the truth, you should know that. He lost most of those fights at middleweight fair and square when Hagler never lost a fight during his prime and destroyed opponents such as Hearns, Mugabi, etc.

Good points, too hard to tell. Let's see what others say.

Well, if Robinson underestimated Hagler he could lose of course, but we saw what happened in the rematchs when he trained hard and came in motivated.

He destroyed them. The Robinson that fought Basilio was the Robinson after the long lay off post Maxim. Robinson wasn't even close to the fighter he was in his prime and still put a clinic on Basilio.

[Soliloquy]

Well, if Robinson underestimated Hagler he could lose of course, but we saw what happened in the rematchs when he trained hard and came in motivated.

All I have to say is that in my eyes and most peoples eyes Hagler was unbeatable at Middleweight. At Welterweight, Robinson was unbeatable but at Middleweight he was human.

[LethalRight79]

All I have to say is that in my eyes and most peoples eyes Hagler was unbeatable at Middleweight. At Welterweight, Robinson was unbeatable but at Middleweight he was human.

We are both entitled to our opinions.
I believe Robinson was the greatest middleweight ever but you could put Hagler in as well.

[Punster]

Sugar Ray Robinson.

[MickyHatton]

Hagler for me also, I believe he would have been too strong for Robinson but we will never know.

Robinson was an awesome fighter though and the difference between them is miniscule.

Sugar Ray Leonard could have been a better Middleweight and possibly been up there with these two had he settled in one weight division and had a longer career.

[fabulous]

All I have to say is that in my eyes and most peoples eyes Hagler was unbeatable at Middleweight. At Welterweight, Robinson was unbeatable but at Middleweight he was human.

Hagler was unbeatable only in 80s, there weren't good middleweight champions available at the time. Best fighter he beat was Hearns and Hearns was vulnarable as middleweight. But there are many fighters who will win decision against Hagler, RJJ is first. Too much speed, skills for Hagler. I don't think anybody will KO Hagler in middleweight but win decision --- some can do it. Hearns of course also if he is able to box, which depends how smart he fights and how agressive is Hagler.

[KingAbdullah]

That was revealing. You remind me of the critics that jumped on Marvin after the Antuofuermo fight saying "Marvin can't handle aggression and pressure-that's the key to beating him".

if hearns was vulnerable at middleweight, how can he be the best fighter Marvin faced?

What middleweights were around at the time? Which one of these middleweights did you see Hagler's that made up his competition?

Minter, Antuofuermo, Briscoe, Roldan, Demmings, Scypion, hamsho, Sibson, Hamani, William Lee, Obel, Hart, Monroe, Finnegan, N.Cabrera, Colbert, Watts, Warren.

I'll agree that Tommy was better in some ways than many of them but lacking in other ways. Is that the explanation you were trying to give?

I've seen most of them at least twice.

I think it's fair to ask this because if you didn't see all of them, what makes you think you're even qualified to make a comparison?

[butterfly1964]

i would say robinson, although he's not as great as people make him out to be.

[fabulous]

i would say robinson, although he's not as great as people make him out to be.

great post from Ali fanboy
Robinson still won middleweight title when he was 39 years old. Ali was done when he was 32, looked like **** after that in most fights and needed gift decisions against Young likes.