who the greatest middleweight of all time

[unity768]

Sugar Ray Robinsons better days was when he was a welterweight

1) Marvin Hagler
2) Carlos Monzon
3) Harry Greb
4) Bernard Hopkins

[Da Iceman]

Ray Robinson is a welterweight dumbass.

ray robinson was a welterweight and middleweight dumbass

[KingAbdullah]

I've seen Monzon and I've seen Hagler. I've studied both actually.

There is no comparison between the two if we're talking about jabs. Hagler put 55 sticthes in Hamsho's face, using mostly the jab. In the Sibson fight, Marvin scored three consecutive times in the 5th with the right jab, opening a large cut over his eye and effectively took him out of the fight (it ended in the next round).

Hagler was much more damaging with the jab than Monzon. Two other fights I can think or where Marvin demonstrated his effectiveness. In the caveman lee fight. William was no sloch. He thrived on wars of attrition. Just prveious to the Hagler fight, he was in a fight that won KO magazine round of the year but Marvin caught him in just the right spot with a thunderous jab that was clearly audible over airwaves.

Similar situation happened two years earlier involving Hamani where Marvin scored on the forehead. The forehead! No way Monzon can compare jabs with Marvin. Who did Monzon cut with his jab? Some firsthand accounts please.

From what I can see, he simply put it out there but no anywhere near the snap on it that Marvin put on his.

If anyone wins with the jab, it's going to be Marvin. Monzon might be able to stay out of range from Marvin's hook if he's simply going to load up with it but Marvin with his jab and mobility could stay on the outside, make Monzon miss with his slow right hand by slipping under it and then go down to the skinny rib section where there was very little meat on him. No middleweight would survive hagler's all out assault. A determined Hagler wins by stoppage.

[fabulous]

Great study
Hagler was a righthander and of course he had very good jab and right hook from southpaw stance. But his left hand wasn't even close to Monzon's right, both Duran and Leonard said that Hagler's left hand wasn't good. But i think Leonard and Duran were only ones who exploited it.
There's actually no doubt that Hagler was lesser puncher in middleweight than Monzon or Robinson. He scored knockouts mostly because of cumulative damage. Hagler will no way KO Monzon and Monzon has style and tools to win decision. Also I think Monzon would have performed better against Duran and Leonard than Hagler.

I've seen Monzon and I've seen Hagler. I've studied both actually.

There is no comparison between the two if we're talking about jabs. Hagler put 55 sticthes in Hamsho's face, using mostly the jab. In the Sibson fight, Marvin scored three consecutive times in the 5th with the right jab, opening a large cut over his eye and effectively took him out of the fight (it ended in the next round).

Hagler was much more damaging with the jab than Monzon. Two other fights I can think or where Marvin demonstrated his effectiveness. In the caveman lee fight. William was no sloch. He thrived on wars of attrition. Just prveious to the Hagler fight, he was in a fight that won KO magazine round of the year but Marvin caught him in just the right spot with a thunderous jab that was clearly audible over airwaves.

Similar situation happened two years earlier involving Hamani where Marvin scored on the forehead. The forehead! No way Monzon can compare jabs with Marvin. Who did Monzon cut with his jab? Some firsthand accounts please.

From what I can see, he simply put it out there but no anywhere near the snap on it that Marvin put on his.

If anyone wins with the jab, it's going to be Marvin. Monzon might be able to stay out of range from Marvin's hook if he's simply going to load up with it but Marvin with his jab and mobility could stay on the outside, make Monzon miss with his slow right hand by slipping under it and then go down to the skinny rib section where there was very little meat on him. No middleweight would survive hagler's all out assault. A determined Hagler wins by stoppage.

[Skydog]

Monzon and Hagler. Hagler could be a swarmer, a boxer, or a puncher.

[Skydog]

I've seen Monzon and I've seen Hagler. I've studied both actually.

There is no comparison between the two if we're talking about jabs. Hagler put 55 sticthes in Hamsho's face, using mostly the jab. In the Sibson fight, Marvin scored three consecutive times in the 5th with the right jab, opening a large cut over his eye and effectively took him out of the fight (it ended in the next round).

Hagler was much more damaging with the jab than Monzon. Two other fights I can think or where Marvin demonstrated his effectiveness. In the caveman lee fight. William was no sloch. He thrived on wars of attrition. Just prveious to the Hagler fight, he was in a fight that won KO magazine round of the year but Marvin caught him in just the right spot with a thunderous jab that was clearly audible over airwaves.

Similar situation happened two years earlier involving Hamani where Marvin scored on the forehead. The forehead! No way Monzon can compare jabs with Marvin. Who did Monzon cut with his jab? Some firsthand accounts please.

From what I can see, he simply put it out there but no anywhere near the snap on it that Marvin put on his.

If anyone wins with the jab, it's going to be Marvin. Monzon might be able to stay out of range from Marvin's hook if he's simply going to load up with it but Marvin with his jab and mobility could stay on the outside, make Monzon miss with his slow right hand by slipping under it and then go down to the skinny rib section where there was very little meat on him. No middleweight would survive hagler's all out assault. A determined Hagler wins by stoppage.

Another great example of Hagler's cutting abilities was the Minter. Wow, that was a bad ass cut. Hey you know what, I post on ********Boxing forum, and there's a guy there that absolutely loves Hagler. You 2 would get along very well.

[Soliloquy]

Bernard Hopkins is definitely a top 5 candidate for greatest middleweight ever. Fact is, he fought in a really ****ty era but he still TOTALLY dominated anyone that was put in front of him.

Many people will say that the only people that Hopkins beat that was any good was Oscar and Trinidad who were blown up. Well, fact is, Hagler's claim to fame was beating Roberto Duran, a former lightweight! Monzon, another top 5er's claim to fame was beating a welterweight in Emile Griffith.

Hopkins' longevity speaks for itself. I don't really care what people say, the fact is he had the title for 10 years, ruined promising careers (Joppy), and dominated almost anyone put in front of him. Just imagine Hopkins - Hagler...what a fight!

[TuPrincipe]

I've seen Monzon and I've seen Hagler. I've studied both actually.

There is no comparison between the two if we're talking about jabs. Hagler put 55 sticthes in Hamsho's face, using mostly the jab. In the Sibson fight, Marvin scored three consecutive times in the 5th with the right jab, opening a large cut over his eye and effectively took him out of the fight (it ended in the next round).

Hagler was much more damaging with the jab than Monzon. Two other fights I can think or where Marvin demonstrated his effectiveness. In the caveman lee fight. William was no sloch. He thrived on wars of attrition. Just prveious to the Hagler fight, he was in a fight that won KO magazine round of the year but Marvin caught him in just the right spot with a thunderous jab that was clearly audible over airwaves.

Similar situation happened two years earlier involving Hamani where Marvin scored on the forehead. The forehead! No way Monzon can compare jabs with Marvin. Who did Monzon cut with his jab? Some firsthand accounts please.

From what I can see, he simply put it out there but no anywhere near the snap on it that Marvin put on his.

If anyone wins with the jab, it's going to be Marvin. Monzon might be able to stay out of range from Marvin's hook if he's simply going to load up with it but Marvin with his jab and mobility could stay on the outside, make Monzon miss with his slow right hand by slipping under it and then go down to the skinny rib section where there was very little meat on him. No middleweight would survive hagler's all out assault. A determined Hagler wins by stoppage.

Although Hagler could adjust for different styles, he wasn't quite in Monzon's league when it came to finding the holes in the style of his opponents during the fight. Hagler was better at adjusting from the first fight to the rematch with fighters who gave him trouble or defeated him. It must be noted that Hagler was murder on his opponents after seeing them the first time.

These two greats were both considered as counter punchers. The difference was Monzon would fight moving forward in a subtle fashion, where Hagler liked for his opponent to pursue him.

Monzon was a tall middleweight standing right at 6 foot, and had a long reach. Hagler was just under 5' 10", but also had long arms for his height. The fact that Monzon was 6'2'' and was as big as a light-heavyweight throws this fight in his favour. He was very athletic and quick for a man of his size/stature.

[blockhead]

Ray Robinson is a welterweight dumbass.

and a middleweight. smart guy

[gattifan24]

I's go Hagler too. I was rooting for Hearns in their fight (of course this rooting was 20 years later) but I gotta give it up to Hagler