Marciano Receiving His Ring Belt From The Plagiarist

[Bronson66]

He was a fecking moron.

His hatred of Ali was almost pathalogical and his personal ratings utterly ludicrous.

The Ring was the last body to withdraw recognition from Ali during his raft problems,and only did so when he announced he was retiring.FACT

[Anomalocaris]

The Ring was the last body to withdraw recognition from Ali during his raft problems,and only did so when he announced he was retiring.FACT

Really?

I did not know that.

I still stand by my opinion on his rankings though.

To say Ali was not a top 10 ATG heavy is ludicrous.

[Willie Pep 229]

Really?

I did not know that.

I still stand by my opinion on his rankings though.

To say Ali was not a top 10 ATG heavy is ludicrous.

True! But . . .

Familiarity breeds contempt, especially among old men when confronted by youth.

Give Nat Fleischer a break, he was just one more old man watching the future (Young Cassius) leaving him behind. He couldn't embrace it, it made his whole life feel like less.

Being old is a tough gig. The arrogance of youth makes you angry. It makes you want to prove yourself again. But you can't, so you embrace those things of your own time instead. Its like paradoxically living vicariously with your past.

[billeau2]

Ripped that idea off too. It's a Fox thing. Not even his belt is his own work.

All philosophy is a footnote to Plato- Edmund Husserl

[Anomalocaris]

True! But . . .

Familiarity breeds contempt, especially among old men when confronted by youth.

Give Nat Fleischer a break, he was just one more old man watching the future (Young Cassius) leaving him behind. He couldn't embrace it, it made his whole life feel like less.

Being old is a tough gig. The arrogance of youth makes you angry. It makes you want to prove yourself again. But you can't, so you embrace those things of your own time instead. Its like paradoxically living vicariously with your past.

Yeah, said it before but the only unbeatable opponent is time.

[QueensburyRules]

Really?

I did not know that.

I still stand by my opinion on his rankings though.

To say Ali was not a top 10 ATG heavy is ludicrous.

- - None of Nat's rated fighters were active. All time ratings are restricted to retired fighters...double triple Duh!!!

[Willow The Wisp]

Ripped that idea off too. It's a Fox thing. Not even his belt is his own work.

Plenty of belts before R.K. Fox came around.

[Willow The Wisp]

On the whole I believe him to have been a force for good as far as boxing is concerned.He campaigned for Wills to get his deserved title shot a financially risky thing for a fledgling boxing magazine author and editor to do.

His Ring ratings came to be accepted as superior to the alphabet ones,for a long time and he was dead when the USA Championships scandal broke.

Plagiarism? Does anyone believe every boxing author does not research and borrow from those authors that preceded them?

Fleischer was certainly no stylist at penmanship,but he saw a hell of a lot of fights from ringside,and as a licensed judge and referee,knew what he was watching.

There are other boxing authors I prefer to his,staid,stolid prose ,but to dismiss him and his lifetime's work out of hand is harsh imo.
Fleischer was no Pollack,Moyle,McIllvanney,Heinz,Liebling,Schulberg ,Smith,Kimball,Cannon,Izenberg etc.
But neither was he down on the Bert Sugar level.
I made the thread,and the word plagiarist was a joke intended for another poster.

I agree with it all, save for the accusative title being worth the bit of inside humor I suppose. Nat was a boon for boxing as few others were. William Shakespeare he was not.
But you, remember your own self to use that space bar after a comma, Strunk & White.

[JeBron Lamez]

The Ring was the last body to withdraw recognition from Ali during his raft problems,and only did so when he announced he was retiring.FACT

What a shame Nat undermined that fact by referring to The Greatest as "Clay" all the time smh.

[QueensburyRules]

What a shame Nat undermined that fact by referring to The Greatest as "Clay" all the time smh.

- - Clay what he Mama called him. U no like Clay Mama?