Why Didn't Jeffries Give Sharkey Another Title Shot?

[QueensburyRules]

Jeffries retired because his purse for his last gimmee defence against no hoper Jack Munroe was so dissapointing.

• The purse was $25,000, with Jeffries getting 75% and Monroe 25%.
• ie Jeffries $19,2,50

To make another decent purse he knew he would have to fight the black challengers,and there is no way on earth he was going to risk that!
"When there are no more white challengers to fight ,I shall retire ,I will never take a chance on losing my title, defending it against a black fighter."
Jim Jeffries.
It isn't so much that you are a fool,it's that you actually think you are smart and have something of value to contribute.lol

- - He retired after JJohnson got whooped by Hart in a fight of no consequence.

Veni, Vidi, Vici...simples for simpletons...

[Dr Z]

This offer below was 3 months after the Munroe fight.

					16 4 1		Hazard's Pavilion, Los Angeles	W-KO	2/20
Johnson defends world 'colored' heavyweight title. Martin down three times in the second round. "..Manager McCarey of the Century Athletic Club announced that he would offer a $15, 000 guarantee for a match between Jeffries and Johnson..." Sharkey posted a $5000 bond to fight Jeffries within a week of their second fight. Lets look at this "quick decline" After losing to Jeffries, Sharkey fought; Joe Goddard13th Feb1900 and stopped him in4 rds,that's three moths after the Jeffries fight. 6 days later Sharkey ko'd Jim Jeffords. Then on March the 15thSharkey ko'd Jack McCormick in 1 round. Two weeks later Sharkey ko'd Tom Stockings Conroy in3 rds. Three weeks later Sharkey knocked out Joe Choynski in 3 rounds. Five fights .five wins, all by stoppage. Fact .After their second fight Jeffries stated when I fight again Sharkey will get the first chance. He didn't ,instead Jeffries defended against JohnFinnegan who had been wrecked in his last fight by Gus Ruhlin. being floored 7 times. Sharkey had kod Ruhlin in 1 round! Don't tell me anyone deserved a title shot more than Sharkey at that time because the facts prove that to be a LIE!

DUDE,

Sharkey had to wait for Corbett (1900 ) and Ruhlin ( 1901 ) to fight Jeffries for a third time. Ruhlin the way KO'd Sharkey in 1902. Ruhlin also held a draw over a novice Jeffries. He waited longer than Sharkey did for his second chance with Jeffires. Now you have the timeline.

By all means press on with your hate.

[Bronson66]

DUDE,

Sharkey had to wait for Corbett (1900 ) and Ruhlin ( 1901 ) to fight Jeffries for a third time. Ruhlin the way KO'd Sharkey in 1902. Ruhlin also held a draw over a novice Jeffries. He waited longer than Sharkey did for his second chance with Jeffires. Now you have the timeline.

By all means press on with your hate.

You stated Sharkey went into a quick decline after the Jeffries fight

.I proved he didn't,he won 5 fights on the trot ,all by stoppage, including wins over Goddard and Choynski.All in1900.
Tom Sharkey had beaten both Ruhlin and Corbett in1898.
Tell us what Corbett had done to deserve a title shot against Jeffries in1900?
What impressive victories had he won?

[Willie Pep 229]

You stated Sharkey went into a quick decline after the Jeffries fight

.I proved he didn't,he won 5 fights on the trot ,all by stoppage, including wins over Goddard and Choynski.All in1900.
Tom Sharkey had beaten both Ruhlin and Corbett in1898.
Tell us what Corbett had done to deserve a title shot against Jeffries in1900?
What impressive victories had he won?

Corbett was a champion he didn't need to prove himself. The gate was there and Corbett gave a good account of himself going 24 rounds.

I just don't see why Tom Sharkey had the claim to a three-match.

He got a shot at the eliminator, and he then got Jeffries first defense. How much does he get?

He wants a third shot he needs to do something special.

Yes he was a solid during the two years in question but the other guys should get their chance as well.

This isn't the "All Jeffries-Sharkey Show." People want to see other fighters.

IMO Sharkey isn't 'magic mike' he doesn't just get a third shot at Jeffries when others have not yet gotten their shot. That doesn't seem fair to me.

[Bronson66]

- - He retired after JJohnson got whooped by Hart in a fight of no consequence.

Veni, Vidi, Vici...simples for simpletons...

Jeffries made his last defence on 26th of August 1904 against no hoperJack Munroe,it was a financial flop.
Johnson did not fight Hart until the 26th of March 1905..Jeffries had already publicly stated that, if Johnson won he would not fight him.

[Bronson66]

Corbett was a champion he didn't need to prove himself. The gate was there and Corbett gave a good account of himself going 24 rounds.

I just don't see why Tom Sharkey had the claim to a three-match.

He got a shot at the eliminator, and he then got Jeffries first defense. How much does he get?

He wants a third shot he needs to do something special.

Yes he was a solid during the two years in question but the other guys should get their chance as well.

This isn't the "All Jeffries-Sharkey Show." People want to see other fighters.

IMO Sharkey isn't 'magic mike' he doesn't just get a third shot at Jeffries when others have not yet gotten their shot. That doesn't seem fair to me.

So according to you a man who hasnt won a fight for 6 years,and that victory being over a man weighing 165lbs, deserves a title shot because he was champion those 6 years earlier?
A title shot in front over the 2 men who had most beaten him, in his most recent two fights one a light heavyweight the other a supermiddle.
Corbett hadn't fought in a year and a half,in his most recent fight he was getting the **** kicked out of him when his second jumped into the ring to save him from a knockout.
Over a year and a half before that he was one punch ko'd by167lbs Ftzsimmons. Great qualifications for a title shot!


The fact that Corbett put up a much better fight than was expected is irrelevant to the fact he did not deserve the opportunity on his record,its more a reflection on Jeffries inability to handle a good boxer.Something Sharkey and Fitz had emphatically proved they could do!

The gate was there?
Jeffries received a little over$15,000 for defending against Corbett.he got over double that for the Sharkey fight from his purse alone!

GTFOOH!

[Dr Z]

Jeffries made his last defence on 26th of August 1904 against no hoperJack Munroe,it was a financial flop.
Johnson did not fight Hart until the 26th of March 1905..Jeffries had already publicly stated that, if Johnson won he would not fight him.

And to the press he considered Johnson possible title defense but ultimately selected Monroe for personal reasons. If he selected Johnson in 1904, tell me who do you think wins? Johnson proved he was mediocre vs Hart in 1905, who was a mature big man of the times. Jeffries said he would fight Hart IF there was demad for it. There was not.


Can you reason and learn on this topic, or does you hate blind you?

[Willie Pep 229]

So according to you a man who hasnt won a fight for 6 years,and that victory being over a man weighing 165lbs, deserves a title shot because he was champion those 6 years earlier?
A title shot in front over the 2 men who had most beaten him, in his most recent two fights one a light heavyweight the other a supermiddle.
Corbett hadn't fought in a year and a half,in his most recent fight he was getting the **** kicked out of him when his second jumped into the ring to save him from a knockout.
Over a year and a half before that he was one punch ko'd by167lbs Ftzsimmons. Great qualifications for a title shot!


The fact that Corbett put up a much better fight than was expected is irrelevant to the fact he did not deserve the opportunity on his record,its more a reflection on Jeffries inability to handle a good boxer.Something Sharkey and Fitz had emphatically proved they could do!

The gate was there?
Jeffries received a little over$15,000 for defending against Corbett.he got over double that for the Sharkey fight from his purse alone!

GTFOOH!

Yes according to me Corbett deserved the fight because people wanted the fight.

Fans like to see an old champion take on the young new guy. It becomes a way to test a new champion. What test is there in beating Sharkey a third time? What excitement?

Yes, but would a third Sharkey fight have drawn as big?

Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, it was time for a new opponent.

You can't go with the gate alone. The fighters in the Coney Island fight got a percentage of both the gate the bookmakers' action.

At first the fans didn't trust the fight, knowing that Jeffries and Corbett were friends, they feared a fake (exhibition) passed off as a fight, plus no one trusted the promoter Bill Brady, so no one would bet.

It took referee Charley White (who the fans trusted) to address the crowd and gurantee a real fight. Promising the crowd that if the fight was a phoney he would stop the fight and then "call-off" all bets. It worked and the fans bet big.

P.S. Charley White didn't trust Brady either and refused to start the bout until he had his $500 in pocket.

[Bronson66]

And to the press he considered Johnson possible title defense but ultimately selected Monroe for personal reasons. If he selected Johnson in 1904, tell me who do you think wins? Johnson proved he was mediocre vs Hart in 1905, who was a mature big man of the times. Jeffries said he would fight Hart IF there was demad for it. There was not.


Can you reason and learn on this topic, or does you hate blind you?

Stop with the lies! Jeffries said in the event of Johnson winning ,which he expected him to do, he would not fight him.
I don't hate Jeffries ,but I do despise you.

[Bronson66]

Yes according to me Corbett deserved the fight because people wanted the fight.

Fans like to see an old champion take on the young new guy. It becomes a way to test a new champion. What test is there in beating Sharkey a third time? What excitement?

Yes, but would a third Sharkey fight have drawn as big?

Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, it was time for a new opponent.

You can't go with the gate alone. The fighters in the Coney Island fight got a percentage of both the gate the bookmakers' action.

At first the fans didn't trust the fight, knowing that Jeffries and Corbett were friends, they feared a fake (exhibition) passed off as a fight, plus no one trusted the promoter Bill Brady, so no one would bet.

It took referee Charley White (who the fans trusted) to address the crowd and gurantee a real fight. Promising the crowd that if the fight was a phoney he would stop the fight and then "call-off" all bets. It worked and the fans bet big.

P.S. Charley White didn't trust Brady either and refused to start the bout until he had his $500 in pocket.

People wanted the fight? Is that why Jeffries purse for the fight was less than half what he got for defending against Sharkey?
Bottom line, Jeffries chose a man whom Sharkey had beaten up in his previous fight which was a year and a half previously.